vox--2020-10-08--The next presidential debate will be virtual — but Trump says he won’t attend

Following President Donald Trump ’ s recent Covid-19 diagnosis , the next presidential debate is scheduled to be conducted remotely .
Whether it will be held is in doubt , however , with Trump saying on Fox Business Thursday , “ I ’ m not going to waste my time on a virtual debate.
” Biden still plans to do the virtual event , however , according to a statement from his deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield .
“ Vice President Biden looks forward to speaking directly to the American people and comparing his plan for bringing the country together @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ’ s failed leadership on the coronavirus that has thrown the strong economy he inherited into the worst downturn since the Great Depression , ” Bedingfield said .
After a chaotic first debate that left Trump lagging in the polls , the president and Democratic nominee Joe Biden were set to debate again on Thursday , October 15 .
The debate — if it proceeds — will be moderated by C-SPAN political editor Steve Scully .
It would be the first remote debate , following in-person presidential and vice presidential debates that raised @ @ @ @ @ @ @ showed Covid-19 symptoms days after debating Biden in Cleveland , Ohio .
The debate is currently scheduled to air live on ABC , CBS , CNN , C-SPAN , Fox , and NBC from 9 to 10:30 pm ET , and is planned to be conducted with Biden and Trump at “ separate remote locations , ” according to the Commission on Presidential Debates .
( That ’ s 8-9:30 pm CT , 7-8:30 pm MT , and 6-7:30 pm PT . )
The initial format of the debate was a town hall @ @ @ @ @ @ @ are still scheduled to partake in the event from the Adrienne Arsht Center for the Performing Arts in Miami .
Much has changed since the first debate on September 29 .
Most importantly , Trump is in isolation in the White House after testing positive for Covid-19 on October 2 .
The president has been treated with a number of cutting-edge therapies for the airborne coronavirus , but Biden has said he is hesitant to appear onstage with Trump because he could still be contagious on the day of the debate .
The @ @ @ @ @ @ @ people who have Covid-19 stay away from others for at least 10 days following the appearance of symptoms , and notes that patients who — like Trump — were hospitalized and needed oxygen may be wise to self-isolate for at least 20 days .
The debate date would seem to fall after the 10-day window , but before the 20-day mark , based on what is publicly known about the onset of the president ’ s symptoms .
“ I think if he still has Covid , we shouldn ’ t have a @ @ @ @ @ @ @ after delivering a speech in Gettysburg , Pennsylvania , adding , “ Too many people have been infected .
It ’ s a very serious problem , so I will be guided by the guidelines of the Cleveland Clinic and what the docs say is the right thing to do.
” Recently , Trump had seemed eager to debate despite still being treated for Covid-19 , tweeting , “ I am looking forward to the debate on the evening of Thursday , October 15th in Miami .
It will be great !
” @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Bartiromo on Fox Business Thursday , the president pushed back against the idea of a virtual debate , saying , “ That ’ s not what debating ’ s all about ; you sit behind a computer and do a debate , it ’ s ridiculous .
And then they cut you off whenever they want.
” In a statement released Thursday morning , Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien reiterated Trump ’ s comments , and said that “ President Trump will have posted multiple negative tests prior to the debate , so @ @ @ @ @ @ @ declaration.
” The White House , however , still has not said when Trump ’ s last negative Covid-19 test was .
Stepien vowed to get his candidate back on the campaign trail in short order .
This promise could be difficult to deliver on , as Trump is still actively being treated for Covid-19 .
“ We ’ ll pass on this sad excuse to bail out Joe Biden and do a rally instead , ” Stepien said .
The Commission for Presidential Debates and the Cleveland Clinic , which is partnering @ @ @ @ @ @ @ safe , decided that an in-person debate would be too great a health risk .
Organizers ’ ability to conduct debates safely was called into question during the first event , during which Trump ’ s family declined to wear face masks throughout the proceedings .
Wednesday night , some Pence supporters — including his wife , Karen Pence — failed to follow masking protocol .
And following the first debate , the city of Cleveland reported at least 11 people became infected ; city officials said the cases originated from the pre-debate @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Trump and Biden was up to the campaigns before the September 29 debate .
There ’ s still one more presidential debate scheduled after Miami The final presidential debate — on October 22 in Nashville , Tennessee — remains on the Commission for Presidential Debates ’ schedule .
NBC anchor Kristen Welker has been selected to moderate that event ; whether it will also be virtual , and whether Trump will be willing to participate , is not yet clear .
With just weeks to go before the November 3 election , Biden @ @ @ @ @ @ @ only increased since the first debate and Trump ’ s Covid-19 diagnosis .
His national polling average on FiveThirtyEight rose from 7 percentage points last week to 9 percentage points as of Tuesday .
Biden is carrying a somewhat narrower lead in critical swing states , including Michigan , Pennsylvania , Nevada , and Arizona , according to RealClearPolitics averages .
Several polls after the first debate showed that voters did not like Trump ’ s constant interruptions of Biden during the first debate .
Polling also seems to suggest the first debate @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ; the movement of older voters and suburban women away from Trump and toward Biden .
A recent CNN poll showed Biden winning older voters by 22 percentage points , and a post-debate poll from NBC and the Wall Street Journal found the Democrat leading the president by 25 percentage points among suburban women .
It remains to be seen how much — or little — another debate , or the final one on October 22 , would shift those numbers .
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Following President Donald Trump’s recent Covid-19 diagnosis, the next debate has been canceled by the Commission on Presidential Debates, according to the Wall Street Journal and CNN.
On Thursday, Trump upended recently unveiled plans for a remote debate, saying on Fox Business, “I’m not going to waste my time on a virtual debate.”
A back-and-forth ensued on Thursday and Friday, as the campaigns floated potential alternate arrangements. Both campaigns are planning to hold separate events instead of the debate.
The second presidential debate, initially set for October 15, was to be moderated by C-SPAN political editor Steve Scully. However, much has changed since it was arranged — and since Trump and Biden first met onstage on September 29. Most importantly, Trump is in partial isolation in the White House after testing positive for Covid-19 on October 2. The president has been treated with a number of cutting-edge therapies for the airborne coronavirus, but Biden has said he is hesitant to appear onstage with Trump because he could still be contagious on the day of the debate.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends people who have Covid-19 stay away from others for at least 10 days following the appearance of symptoms, and notes that patients who — like Trump — were hospitalized and needed oxygen may be wise to self-isolate for at least 20 days. The debate date would seem to fall after the 10-day window but before the 20-day mark, based on what is publicly known about the onset of the president’s symptoms.
On Tuesday, before the debate was made virtual, Biden told reporters he was uncertain about the wisdom of participating in it as planned.
“I think if he still has Covid, we shouldn’t have a debate,” he said after delivering a speech in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, adding, “Too many people have been infected. It’s a very serious problem, so I will be guided by the guidelines of the Cleveland Clinic and what the docs say is the right thing to do.”
Until recently, Trump had seemed eager to debate despite still being treated for Covid-19, tweeting, “I am looking forward to the debate on the evening of Thursday, October 15th in Miami. It will be great!”
However, after the Commission on Presidential Debates announced the second debate would be held virtually, Trump said he no longer wanted to participate, arguing, “That’s not what debating’s all about; you sit behind a computer and do a debate, it’s ridiculous. And then they cut you off whenever they want.”
"I'm not going to waste my time on a virtual debate" -- Trump, on with Maria Bartiromo, begins his first post-coronavirus interview by saying he's pulling out of the second debate. (He sounds a little hoarse.) pic.twitter.com/R43JSszfll — Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 8, 2020
In a statement released Thursday morning, Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien reiterated Trump’s comments, and said that “President Trump will have posted multiple negative tests prior to the debate, so there is no need for this unilateral declaration.” The White House, however, still has not said when Trump’s last negative Covid-19 test was.
Stepien vowed to get his candidate back on the campaign trail in short order. This promise could be difficult to deliver on, as Trump is still actively being treated for Covid-19.
“We’ll pass on this sad excuse to bail out Joe Biden and do a rally instead,” Stepien said.
And given Trump’s refusal, Democratic nominee Joe Biden will also plan a solo event, his campaign said midday Thursday.
“Joe Biden will find an appropriate place to take questions from voters directly on October 15th, as he has done on several occasions in recent weeks,” Biden’s deputy campaign manager, Kate Bedingfield, said in a statement. “Given the President’s refusal to participate on October 15th, we hope the Debate Commission will move the Biden-Trump Town Hall to October 22nd, so that the President is not able to evade accountability.”
The ability of the Commission on Presidential Debates and the advising Cleveland Clinic to conduct debates safely was called into question during the first event, during which Trump’s family declined to wear face masks throughout the proceedings.
Wednesday night, some Pence supporters — including his wife, Karen Pence — failed to follow masking protocol. And following the first debate, the city of Cleveland reported at least 11 people became infected; city officials said the cases originated from the pre-debate planning and setup.
Covid-19 testing for Trump and Biden was up to the campaigns before the September 29 debate.
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There’s still one more presidential debate scheduled
The final presidential debate — on October 22 in Nashville, Tennessee — remains on the Commission on Presidential Debates’ schedule. NBC anchor Kristen Welker has been selected to moderate that event.
With just weeks to go before the November 3 election, Biden’s advantage in the polls has only increased since the first debate and Trump’s Covid-19 diagnosis. His national polling average on FiveThirtyEight rose from a 7 percentage point lead on Trump last week, to a 10 percentage point lead as of Friday, October 9.
Biden is carrying a somewhat narrower lead in critical swing states, including Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, and Arizona, according to RealClearPolitics averages. Several polls after the first debate showed that voters did not like Trump’s constant interruptions of Biden during the first debate.
Polling also seems to suggest the first debate solidified two worrying trends for the president; the movement of older voters and suburban women away from Trump and toward Biden. A recent CNN poll showed Biden winning older voters by 22 percentage points, and a post-debate poll from NBC and the Wall Street Journal found the Democrat leading the president by 25 percentage points among suburban women.


vox--2020-10-08--Woody Allen’s strange, delayed new movie, explained

I ’ m not going to review A Rainy Day in New York , the new ( ish ) movie from Woody Allen , because what would be the use ?
If you ’ ve seen a Woody Allen movie , then you ’ ve seen this one .
As with many of his recent films , it retreads old territory for the prolific director so closely that it plays like self-parody .
There ’ s no need to watch it unless you ’ re a Woody Allen completist ( or you want to see Timothée Chalamet do what seems @ @ @ @ @ @ @ young , neurotic Woody Allen ) .
And if you feel weird about supporting his work financially now , you ’ re not alone .
But lousy screenplay and mystifyingly bad directing aside , the film ’ s release is still significant .
Yes , like most films that managed to debut in 2020 , A Rainy Day in New York feels like it ’ s the product of a dimly remembered earlier era , in which people drank martinis in bars and kissed in parks and rode on Greyhound buses for hours @ @ @ @ @ @ @ at its production timeline and distribution troubles tell a far more revealing story about what ’ s changed in the last three years .
A Rainy Day in New York is a pretty bad movie , but it ’ s an important one — even if only as a marker of the end of an era .
A Rainy Day in New York ’ s shoot started and ended in different eras Hop into your mind ’ s time machine and ride all the way back to September 11 , 2017 .
Donald @ @ @ @ @ @ @ eight months .
Barely a week ago , Facebook informed Congress that it seems someone connected to a Russian company spent $ 100,000 on ads targeting US voters during the 2016 election .
Two days ago , Louis C.K.
’ s movie I Love You , Daddy — explicitly an homage to and dig at Woody Allen ’ s 1979 masterpiece Manhattan — premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival , and a distributor bought it for $ 5 million .
Meanwhile , on this mid-September day , Allen has begun shooting his @ @ @ @ @ @ @ two college students ( played by Chalamet and Elle Fanning ) spending 48 hours in New York City , where they are greeted by a series of mishaps and personal revelations .
Other stars include Selena Gomez , Jude Law , Liev Schreiber , Diego Luna , Rebecca Hall , and Cherry Jones .
It ’ s a movie about how some people are guileless , and others are pretentious ; some older men love younger women ; and some people just need the energy of New York in order to feel alive @ @ @ @ @ @ @ is set to distribute the film as part of its four-picture deal with Allen .
The ink is barely dry on that deal , struck in August and spearheaded by Amazon Studios head Roy Price .
The company has agreed to pay a minimum of $ 68 million for them .
Separate from the deal , they ’ re also distributing Allen ’ s new film , Wonder Wheel , which has nabbed the closing night berth for next month ’ s New York Film Festival .
Nobody involved knows that by the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ New York shoot , their world will be changed .
On October 5 , 2017 , a story breaks in the New York Times regarding the long-running conduct of sexual predator and movie producer Harvey Weinstein .
( Weinstein ’ s companies had distributed a few of Allen ’ s movies but hadn ’ t produced any of them — mostly , Allen claims in interviews , because of Weinstein ’ s legendary penchant for recutting films over the directors ’ wishes . )
In the following days , Times reporters Jodi Kantor @ @ @ @ @ @ @ on Weinstein , as does Ronan Farrow at the New Yorker ; the trio will share a 2018 Pulitzer for their work .
Farrow is Allen ’ s estranged son , the only biological child of Allen and his longtime former partner Mia Farrow .
Ronan became estranged from his father years earlier because he staunchly defended his sister Dylan , who , as a 7-year-old child in 1992 , accused Allen of molesting her .
The allegation came shortly after their parents ’ relationship ended , kicking off an acrimonious media circus @ @ @ @ @ @ @ years .
( Dylan was adopted as an infant by Farrow and Allen . )
As adults , both Ronan and Dylan continued to challenge the Hollywood glitterati ’ s continued support of and involvement with Allen , publishing opinion articles when their father was receiving red-carpet Cannes premieres for his work or lifetime achievement awards .
The molestation charge is what drove the custody battle , but the catalyst for Allen and Mia Farrow ’ s breakup was the revelation of Allen ’ s sexual relationship with Soon-Yi Previn , Farrow ’ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .
Previn was around 21 years old at the time ; Allen was in his 50s .
Farrow discovered the relationship when she found a stack of nude photos of her daughter in Allen ’ s apartment ( Farrow and Allen were together for a decade but never lived together ) .
Previn and Allen would eventually marry , and they remain married to this day .
By 2017 , chatter about Dylan Farrow ’ s allegations against Allen was mostly quiet , and had been since the mid-1990s .
Allen had gone @ @ @ @ @ @ @ receiving honors and awards .
But that was about to change .
In the weeks and months following the Weinstein story , and partly due to Ronan Farrow ’ s dogged reporting , the Weinstein story lights a fire underneath a movement that becomes known by the hashtag # MeToo .
Many powerful men in the film industry and far beyond are confronted by allegations of sexual misconduct , often from women who had been afraid to speak up before .
One of those men is Roy Price , who resigns from Amazon @ @ @ @ @ @ @ after the Wonder Wheel premiere at the NYFF .
He ’ s been accused of harassing a female producer and ignoring another woman ’ s allegations of being assaulted by Weinstein .
On October 15 , a day after the premiere , Allen gives an interview to the BBC in which he denies any knowledge of Weinstein ’ s misconduct .
“ No one ever came to me or told me horror stories with any real seriousness , ” he says .
“ And they wouldn ’ t , because you are not @ @ @ @ @ @ @ in making your movie.
” He says the whole situation is sad for everyone involved : “ Tragic for the poor women that were involved , sad for Harvey that his life is so messed up.
” He also suggests that the cultural earthquake underway could lead to “ a witch hunt atmosphere , ” in which “ every guy in an office who winks at a woman is suddenly having to call a lawyer to defend himself .
That ’ s not right either.
” The uproar over this statement , which @ @ @ @ @ @ @ allegations coming to light , leads him to release a statement later in the day to Variety , asserting that Weinstein is a “ sad , sick man ” and that he ’ s shocked his statement was taken as anything other than an assertion of that opinion .
That same weekend , actor Griffin Newman , who had shot one scene on A Rainy Day in New York , announces via Twitter that he regrets working with the director in the light of past allegations and that he ’ s donating his @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Abuse & Incest National Network .
( In January , his co-stars Chalamet and Hall will join him and donate their own salaries , and other actors will express their regrets for working with Allen on other films .
In the meantime , Kate Winslet defends him on the publicity trail for Wonder Wheel , as do others , including Rainy Day stars Selena Gomez and Cherry Jones . )
All this happens a week and a half before the Rainy Day in New York set wraps on October 23 .
By November @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of I Love You , Daddy , Louis C.K.
’ s homage to Allen , will also be canceled after revelations that Louis C.K .
sexually harassed a number of women on the comedy circuit .
It ’ s a different world .
Rumors and “ best-kept secrets ” are coming to light , and things that were only whispered and joked about in secret are suddenly seeming more plausible .
Everything is topsy-turvy .
In December , Dylan Farrow writes an op-ed for the Los Angeles Times , asking why the film @ @ @ @ @ @ @ exhorting people to “ believe women ” was still defending her father , despite her long-running allegations of molestation , which he ’ d steadfastly denied for decades .
She blames the “ deliberately created fog ” by Allen ’ s publicity team around his story for why “ A-list actors agree to appear in Allen ’ s films and journalists tend to avoid the subject ” ; she calls out Winslet , Blake Lively , and Greta Gerwig , all of whom had also starred in recent Allen films .
( Gerwig @ @ @ @ @ @ @ beginning its triumphant awards-season tour . )
By January 2018 , Gerwig too is publicly rethinking her position on Allen and apologizing to Farrow .
She won ’ t be the last to do so .
By early 2018 , none of the disavowals or op-eds had canceled or toppled Woody Allen ( nor would they in the years to come ) .
But they did seem to do what all of the court cases and media appearances in the world couldn ’ t have done in the past : They turned Allen @ @ @ @ @ @ @ before working with because it could harm your reputation .
And even though Allen kept working , the distribution plan for his movies was affected .
In February 2019 , Allen filed a $ 68 million breach of contract lawsuit against Amazon , alleging that the company tried to back out of their contract with him in June 2018 and had unlawfully dropped A Rainy Day in New York from its release schedule .
“ Amazon has tried to excuse its action by referencing a 25-year-old baseless allegation against Mr. Allen , but @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ( and the public ) before Amazon entered into four separate deals with Mr. Allen—and in any event , it does not provide a basis for Amazon to terminate the contract , ” the suit reads .
The company hadn ’ t actually dissolved its contract with Allen at the time .
But A Rainy Day in New York , which finished filming in the summer of 2018 and was set to premiere later that year , had curiously disappeared from the release calendar .
The suit filled in the ( alleged ) @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Amazon executives met with Allen and representatives from his production company to discuss “ the negative publicity and reputational harm that Amazon Studios had received because of allegations made against its former President , [ Roy ] Price , and its association with Harvey Weinstein and The Weinstein Company.
” ( It ’ s easy to imagine , given the suit ’ s allegations , that the older accusations against Allen were suddenly being seen in a new light as well . )
Amazon ’ s executives then proposed they meet in Seattle @ @ @ @ @ @ @ New York , but the meeting never happened .
According to the suit , the company then requested that the film ’ s release date be pushed into 2019 .
Then , in June 2018 , Amazon tried to back out of its contract with Allen altogether , saying that their agreement was “ impracticable ” and “ supervening events , including renewed allegations against Mr. Allen , his own controversial comments , and the increasing refusal of top talent to work with or be associated with him in any way , all @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the Agreement.
” The release of A Rainy Day in New York had been in limbo ever since , and from the outside , all that was obvious was that the film had been delayed .
It was easy to imagine why .
( That also made 2018 the first year without a new Woody Allen film since 1981 . )
In his February 2019 lawsuit , Allen sought the minimum payments for the four films , as well as damages and legal fees .
In May , Amazon agreed to give distribution @ @ @ @ @ @ @ November , the parties settled the lawsuit and filed a notice to dismiss the case .
The two entities parted ways .
So what happened to A Rainy Day in New York , now finished and shelved , when it ended up without a distributor or a release date ?
The movie sat around for a while , but once the distribution rights reverted to Allen , things started moving again .
On July 26 , 2019 , it was released in Poland .
It then opened across Europe , South and Latin @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the rest of 2019 .
That September , it was selected as the opening night premiere at the Deauville American Film in France .
In May 2020 , with theaters in parts of Asia opening following pandemic closings , the film went back onto South Korean screens and made $ 330,000 — which means it was the highest-grossing film in the world the weekend of May 8-10 , 2020 .
And on June 5 , 2020 , it opened in the UK .
Now the film is slated to open in the US @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Media Group and Signature Entertainment .
It ’ s opening seven months into a world-altering pandemic and into a country where many theaters remain closed .
That includes New York itself , the city where during the Before Times — in several senses — the film would have received a star-studded red-carpet gala premiere , no matter the critics ’ reviews .
Now , A Rainy Day in New York will open quietly in a handful of theaters before most likely finding its way to iTunes or some other digital platform in a @ @ @ @ @ @ @ while Allen keeps working — his latest film , Rifkin ’ s Festival , mostly starring European actors , premiered at the San Sebastian Film Festival on September 18 and has already opened in theaters in Spain — it ’ s clear something big has changed .
This past March , Allen was back in the news when his memoir , Apropos of Nothing , was first announced by Hachette Grand Central , a major publisher ; following a walkout by staffers in solidarity with Dylan Farrow , Hachette dropped the book , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ then picked it up and surprise-published it on March 23 .
In the book , Allen once again denies his daughter ’ s accusations as well as the larger claim that he has consistently displayed a marked interest in very young women .
( This is very frequently a feature of his movies , and one that Louis C.K .
accurately integrated into I Love You , Daddy .
A Rainy Day in New York ’ s iteration features two significantly older men , a director and a screenwriter played by Schreiber and @ @ @ @ @ @ @ with 21-year-old college journalist Elle Fanning — Schreiber ’ s character seemingly decides this after she tells him that she gets the hiccups whenever she is “ sexually confused.
” This all happens within hours of meeting her , and they both tell her how they feel , in so many words .
Whether or not they ’ re meant to be seen as objects of mockery is not very clear . )
Allen ’ s memoir , perhaps unsurprisingly , was not well-reviewed .
Watching A Rainy Day in New York feels @ @ @ @ @ @ @ slavish but amateurish attempt to pay homage to Allen ; it doesn ’ t evoke Allen ’ s best work as much as recall that it ’ s been quite a while since he did something truly fresh , something worth talking about in its own right .
And to me , all scandal aside , that ’ s just sad .
Just over three years ago , it was impossible to imagine a world in which a Woody Allen movie — any Woody Allen movie — wouldn ’ t have at least @ @ @ @ @ @ @ now , he ’ s not canceled ; he just doesn ’ t seem all that relevant anymore , or interested in saying anything to the world beyond rehashing his old material .
We will never definitively know , beyond a shadow of a doubt , whether all , parts , or none of the Woody Allen story is true .
That ’ s a metaphysical impossibility .
But judging from his movies and his work , he seems determined to dwell in a past of his own invention — and the world @ @ @ @ @ @ @ in New York opens in select theaters on October 9 .
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I’m not going to review A Rainy Day in New York, the new(ish) movie from Woody Allen, because what would be the use? If you’ve seen a Woody Allen movie, then you’ve seen this one. As with many of his recent films, it retreads old territory for the prolific director so closely that it plays like self-parody. There’s no need to watch it unless you’re a Woody Allen completist (or you want to see Timothée Chalamet do what seems to be a weird impression of a young, neurotic Woody Allen). And if you feel weird about supporting his work financially now, you’re not alone.
But lousy screenplay and mystifyingly bad directing aside, the film’s release is still significant. Yes, like most films that managed to debut in 2020, A Rainy Day in New York feels like it’s the product of a dimly remembered earlier era, in which people drank martinis in bars and kissed in parks and rode on Greyhound buses for hours with naked faces. But a look at its production timeline and distribution troubles tell a far more revealing story about what’s changed in the last three years. A Rainy Day in New York is a pretty bad movie, but it’s an important one — even if only as a marker of the end of an era.
A Rainy Day in New York’s shoot started and ended in different eras
Hop into your mind’s time machine and ride all the way back to September 11, 2017. Donald Trump has been president for not quite eight months. Barely a week ago, Facebook informed Congress that it seems someone connected to a Russian company spent $100,000 on ads targeting US voters during the 2016 election. Two days ago, Louis C.K.’s movie I Love You, Daddy — explicitly an homage to and dig at Woody Allen’s 1979 masterpiece Manhattan — premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival, and a distributor bought it for $5 million.
Meanwhile, on this mid-September day, Allen has begun shooting his 52nd feature film, a comedy about two college students (played by Chalamet and Elle Fanning) spending 48 hours in New York City, where they are greeted by a series of mishaps and personal revelations. Other stars include Selena Gomez, Jude Law, Liev Schreiber, Diego Luna, Rebecca Hall, and Cherry Jones. It’s a movie about how some people are guileless, and others are pretentious; some older men love younger women; and some people just need the energy of New York in order to feel alive.
At that point, Amazon Studios is set to distribute the film as part of its four-picture deal with Allen. The ink is barely dry on that deal, struck in August and spearheaded by Amazon Studios head Roy Price. The company has agreed to pay a minimum of $68 million for them. Separate from the deal, they’re also distributing Allen’s new film, Wonder Wheel, which has nabbed the closing night berth for next month’s New York Film Festival.
Nobody involved knows that by the time they wrap the Rainy Day in New York shoot, their world will be changed.
On October 5, 2017, a story breaks in the New York Times regarding the long-running conduct of sexual predator and movie producer Harvey Weinstein. (Weinstein’s companies had distributed a few of Allen’s movies but hadn’t produced any of them — mostly, Allen claims in interviews, because of Weinstein’s legendary penchant for recutting films against the directors’ wishes.) In the following days, Times reporters Jodi Kantor and Megan Twohey continue to break stories on Weinstein, as does Ronan Farrow at the New Yorker; the trio will share a 2018 Pulitzer for their work.
Farrow is Allen’s estranged son, the only biological child of Allen and his longtime former partner Mia Farrow. Ronan became estranged from his father years earlier because he staunchly defended his sister Dylan, who, as a 7-year-old child in 1992, accused Allen of molesting her. The allegation came shortly after their parents’ relationship ended, kicking off an acrimonious media circus of a custody battle that lasted for years. (Dylan was adopted as an infant by Farrow and Allen.) As adults, both Ronan and Dylan continued to challenge the Hollywood glitterati’s continued support of and involvement with Allen, publishing opinion articles when their father was receiving red-carpet Cannes premieres for his work or lifetime achievement awards.
The molestation charge is what drove the custody battle, but the catalyst for Allen and Mia Farrow’s breakup was the revelation of Allen’s sexual relationship with Soon-Yi Previn, Farrow’s adopted daughter with her first husband. Previn was around 21 years old at the time; Allen was in his 50s. Farrow discovered the relationship when she found a stack of nude photos of her daughter in Allen’s apartment (Farrow and Allen were together for a decade but never lived together). Previn and Allen would eventually marry, and they remain married to this day.
By 2017, chatter about Dylan Farrow’s allegations against Allen was mostly quiet, and had been since the mid-1990s. Allen had gone on to make many more films, receiving honors and awards. But that was about to change.
In the weeks and months following the Weinstein story, and partly due to Ronan Farrow’s dogged reporting, the Weinstein story lights a fire underneath a movement that becomes known by the hashtag MeToo. Many powerful men in the film industry and far beyond are confronted by allegations of sexual misconduct, often from women who had been afraid to speak up before.
One of those men is Roy Price, who resigns from Amazon Studios on October 17, three days after the Wonder Wheel premiere at the NYFF. He’s been accused of harassing a female producer and ignoring another woman’s allegations of being assaulted by Weinstein.
On October 15, a day after the premiere, Allen gives an interview to the BBC in which he denies any knowledge of Weinstein’s misconduct. “No one ever came to me or told me horror stories with any real seriousness,” he says. “And they wouldn’t, because you are not interested in it. You are interested in making your movie.” He says the whole situation is sad for everyone involved: “Tragic for the poor women that were involved, sad for Harvey that his life is so messed up.”
He also suggests that the cultural earthquake underway could lead to “a witch hunt atmosphere,” in which “every guy in an office who winks at a woman is suddenly having to call a lawyer to defend himself. That’s not right either.” The uproar over this statement, which seems to downplay the seriousness of the allegations coming to light, leads him to release a statement later in the day to Variety, asserting that Weinstein is a “sad, sick man” and that he’s shocked his statement was taken as anything other than an assertion of that opinion.
That same weekend, actor Griffin Newman, who had shot one scene on A Rainy Day in New York, announces via Twitter that he regrets working with the director in the light of past allegations and that he’s donating his salary to RAINN, the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network. (In January, his co-stars Chalamet and Hall join him and donate their own salaries, and other actors will express their regrets for working with Allen on other films. In the meantime, Kate Winslet defends him on the publicity trail for Wonder Wheel, as do others, including Rainy Day stars Selena Gomez and Cherry Jones.)
All this happens a week and a half before the Rainy Day in New York set wraps on October 23. By November 9, the premiere and the release of I Love You, Daddy, Louis C.K.’s homage to Allen, will also be canceled after revelations that Louis C.K. sexually harassed women on the comedy circuit.
It’s a different world. Rumors and “best-kept secrets” are coming to light, and things that were only whispered and joked about in secret are suddenly seeming more plausible. Everything is topsy-turvy.
In December, Dylan Farrow writes an op-ed for the Los Angeles Times, asking why the film world that expelled Weinstein and had begun exhorting people to “believe women” was still defending her father, despite her long-running allegations of molestation, which he’d steadfastly denied for decades. She blames the “deliberately created fog” by Allen’s publicity team around his story for why “A-list actors agree to appear in Allen’s films and journalists tend to avoid the subject”; she calls out Winslet, Blake Lively, and Greta Gerwig, all of whom had also starred in recent Allen films. (Gerwig’s 2017 film Lady Bird was beginning its triumphant awards-season tour.)
By January 2018, Gerwig too is publicly rethinking her position on Allen and apologizing to Farrow. She won’t be the last to do so.
Amazon and Woody Allen’s legal battles
By early 2018, none of the disavowals or op-eds had canceled or toppled Woody Allen (nor would they in the years to come). But they seemed to do what all of the court cases and media appearances in the world couldn’t have done in the past: They turned Allen into someone you’d think twice before working with because it could harm your reputation.
And even though Allen keeps working, the distribution plan for his movies is affected.
In February 2019, Allen files a $68 million breach of contract lawsuit against Amazon, alleging that the company tried to back out of their contract with him in June 2018 and had unlawfully dropped A Rainy Day in New York from its release schedule. “Amazon has tried to excuse its action by referencing a 25-year-old baseless allegation against Mr. Allen, but that allegation was already well-known to Amazon (and the public) before Amazon entered into four separate deals with Mr. Allen—and in any event, it does not provide a basis for Amazon to terminate the contract,” the suit reads.
The company hadn’t actually dissolved its contract with Allen at the time. But A Rainy Day in New York, which finished filming in the summer of 2018 and was set to premiere later that year, curiously disappeared from the release calendar.
The suit fills in the (alleged) backstory. In December 2017, two Amazon executives met with Allen and representatives from his production company to discuss “the negative publicity and reputational harm that Amazon Studios had received because of allegations made against its former President, [Roy] Price, and its association with Harvey Weinstein and The Weinstein Company.” (It’s easy to imagine, given the suit’s allegations, that the older accusations against Allen were suddenly seen in a new light as well.) Amazon’s executives then proposed they meet in Seattle to discuss marketing A Rainy Day in New York, but the meeting never happened.
According to the suit, the company then requested that the film’s release date be pushed into 2019. Then, in June 2018, Amazon tried to back out of its contract with Allen altogether, saying that their agreement was “impracticable” and “supervening events, including renewed allegations against Mr. Allen, his own controversial comments, and the increasing refusal of top talent to work with or be associated with him in any way, all of which have frustrated the purpose of the Agreement.”
The release of A Rainy Day in New York stayed in limbo, and from the outside, all that was obvious was that the film had been delayed. It was easy to imagine why. (That also made 2018 the first year without a new Woody Allen film since 1981.)
In his February 2019 lawsuit, Allen seeks the minimum payments for the four films, as well as damages and legal fees. In May, Amazon agrees to give distribution rights back to Allen. And in November, the parties settle the lawsuit and filed a notice to dismiss the case. The two entities part ways.
A Rainy Day in New York enters a changed world
So what happened to A Rainy Day in New York, now finished and shelved, when it ended up without a distributor or a release date?
The movie sat around for a while, but once the distribution rights reverted to Allen, things started moving again. On July 26, 2019, it was released in Poland. It then opened across Europe, South and Latin America, and parts of Asia throughout the rest of 2019. That September, it was selected as the opening night premiere at the Deauville American Film in France. In May 2020, with theaters in parts of Asia opening following pandemic closings, the film went back onto South Korean screens and made $330,000 — which means it was the highest-grossing film in the world the weekend of May 8-10, 2020. And on June 5, 2020, it opened in the UK.
Now the film is slated to open in the US on October 9, released by MPI Media Group and Signature Entertainment. It’s opening seven months into a world-altering pandemic and into a country where many theaters remain closed. That includes New York itself, the city where during the Before Times — in several senses — the film would have received a star-studded red-carpet gala premiere, no matter the critics’ reviews. A Rainy Day in New York will instead open quietly in a handful of theaters before most likely finding its way to iTunes or some other digital platform in a matter of weeks or months.
But while Allen keeps working — his latest film, Rifkin’s Festival, mostly starring European actors, premiered at the San Sebastian Film Festival on September 18 and has already opened in theaters in Spain — it’s clear something has changed. This past March, Allen was back in the news when his memoir, Apropos of Nothing, was first announced by Hachette Grand Central, a major publisher; following a walkout by staffers in solidarity with Dylan Farrow, Hachette dropped the book, and a smaller publisher, Skyhorse, released it without a marketing lead-up on March 23.
In the book, Allen once again denies his daughter’s accusations as well as the larger claim that he has consistently displayed a marked interest in very young women. (This is frequently a feature of his movies, and one that Louis C.K. accurately integrated into I Love You, Daddy. A Rainy Day in New York’s iteration features two significantly older men, a director and a screenwriter played by Schreiber and Law, “falling in love” with 21-year-old college journalist Elle Fanning — Schreiber’s character seemingly decides this after she tells him that she gets the hiccups whenever she is “sexually confused.” This all happens within hours of meeting her, and they both tell her how they feel, in so many words. Whether or not they’re meant to be seen as objects of mockery is not very clear.)
Allen’s memoir, perhaps unsurprisingly, was not well reviewed.
Watching A Rainy Day in New York feels like watching a student filmmaker’s slavish but amateurish attempt to pay homage to Allen; it doesn’t evoke Allen’s best work as much as recall that it’s been quite a while since he did something truly fresh, something worth talking about in its own right.
And to me, all scandal aside, that’s just sad. Just over three years ago, it was impossible to imagine a world in which a Woody Allen movie — any Woody Allen movie — wouldn’t have at least been a moderately buzzed-about event. But now, he’s not canceled; he just doesn’t seem all that relevant anymore, or interested in saying anything to the world beyond rehashing his old material. We will never definitively know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, whether all, parts, or none of the Woody Allen story is true. That’s a metaphysical impossibility. But judging from his movies and his work, he seems determined to dwell in a past of his own invention — and the world is moving on.
A Rainy Day in New York opens in select theaters on October 9.


vox--2020-10-08--The furniture resale market is booming

The furniture resale market is booming

For Jeremy Adams , a software engineer living in the San Francisco Bay Area , the score was a Pottery Barn sectional for $ 400 on NextDoor .
For Anne Hersh , it was a $ 800 sideboard buffet she bought on Facebook Marketplace for $ 30 .
And for Avital Chizhik-Goldschmidt , it was a $ 13,000 Roche Bobois sofa set she got for free from a neighbor .
The furniture resale market is having a moment .
With people fleeing cities for more space in the face of coronavirus lockdowns , unemployed millennials moving back home with their @ @ @ @ @ @ @ country by storm , tons of people have been selling their furniture , often at rock-bottom rates .
For prowlers like Chizhik-Goldschmidt , Adams , Hersh , and many , many others , their neighbor ’ s trash is their latest treasure .
“ It is like Black Friday every single day , where I can just type a piece of furniture I ’ m looking for into Facebook Marketplace and buy it for , like , 80 percent off , ” Adams gleefully said .
He ’ s been redecorating his apartment @ @ @ @ @ @ @ leaving the Bay Area .
“ I will probably never buy another new piece of furniture again.
” “ I will probably never buy another new piece of furniture again ” Facebook Marketplace , the social media giant ’ s portal for buying and selling used goods , has seen a spike in furniture action over the last few months , the company told Vox .
Furniture listings have increased nearly 100 percent since April .
Over at NextDoor , a local social networking service for neighborhoods , furniture sales were up 28 @ @ @ @ @ @ @ said , compared to the same time last year .
Pieces from Ikea , Pottery Barn , and Ashley HomeStore are flooding the app .
On AptDeco , a furniture resale marketplace serving New York , New Jersey , and Connecticut , listings of furniture have nearly tripled since May , said Reham Fagiri , the company ’ s co-founder and chief executive .
This all spells for victory for furniture buyers , but it ’ s not a win-win .
Besides the inevitable losses for individual sellers , sales at furniture companies @ @ @ @ @ @ @ who turn to used furniture might abandon retail all together .
“ If resale furniture does continue to soar , there could be more of an impact on the retail part of the market , ” said Neil Saunders , a retail analyst and the managing director of GlobalData Retail .
“ Unlike fashion , where people buy a lot of apparel items in any given year , furniture is purchased more infrequently — so if you buy a dining room table via resale , you ’ re not likely to go out @ @ @ @ @ @ @ a retailer .
This is one of the reasons why players like IKEA are looking more seriously at resale and starting to open new concepts as bolt-ons to the main parts of their business.
” The used-furniture market also illustrates which brands do and don ’ t have resale value — and some of the findings might actually surprise you .
The coronavirus has city dwellers fleeing their apartments — and turning to the resale market to get rid of their furniture One large segment of people selling their furniture today are city @ @ @ @ @ @ @ more space and cheaper rent .
During the second quarter of 2020 , 51 percent of properties seen in America ’ s most populated metro areas were in the suburbs , according to Realtor.com .
An economist at the real estate company Zillow said in July that 64 percent of homebuyers were looking at the suburbs — a stark contrast from the 2010 US census , which found that eight in 10 Americans lived in cities .
“ A lot of our friends and neighbors left the city because they were scared of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ more space when they were under lockdown and were just desperate to get rid of their stuff , ” said Chizhik-Goldschmidt , who picked up her new furniture from a fellow synagogue congregant in New York City ’ s Upper East Side .
Many have argued that the narrative of American cities facing an empty , apocalyptic future because of coronavirus is a huge exaggeration .
But lots of former city residents say the pandemic changed their perspective .
Jessica Green , a mother of 1-year-old twins and a fashion retail associate , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ’ summer house in New Jersey since May .
“ It was horrible being trapped inside a tiny apartment with two small children , ” she said .
Green , whose lease is up in October , decided to let go of her Brooklyn apartment and is now selling all of her furniture on Facebook Marketplace .
Her wares include new pieces from AllModern and Room and Board , which she ’ s had to “ sell for pennies.
” “ I didn ’ t want to deal with paying movers and I @ @ @ @ @ @ @ for storage , so at this point it ’ s not about making money — it ’ s about unloading , ” Green said .
“ I would rather just post stuff at prices people will buy.
” Green joined a growing list of young people who moved home during the pandemic due to financial or social hardships .
In a September poll from the Pew Research Center , 52 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds reported living with their parents because of Covid-19 .
Before that , “ The highest measured value was @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of the Great Depression , when 48 % of young adults lived with their parents , ” according to the center .
Rebecca Davis recently gave up her Manhattan apartment after fleeing in March to her secondary residence in Florida with her three kids .
She convinced her landlord to let her out of her lease and had three weeks to empty her apartment , which was filled with furniture from Pottery Barn , CB2 , Article , and Wayfair .
“ The hardest part was that I wasn ’ t on the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ selling everything for whatever people wanted to give me , ” said Davis , who sold most of her stuff on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace .
A lot of the flight has been residents living in cities with big tech companies , where rents are rising as a result .
Now that many tech employers are allowing employees to work from home indefinitely , it ’ s hard to justify city rent .
But people are also purging their stuff and fleeing out of panic , said Michael Solomon , a consumer psychologist @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Haub School of Business at Saint Joseph ’ s University .
“ It ’ s a catharsis of some kind because it means people can start over , leave a city , not be tied down to an old life , and just get rid of stuff and make a positive change , ” said Solomon .
“ Selling all your furniture can be about a restoration sense of agency.
” Just as a natural market of sellers popped up , so too have buyers — not necessarily out of the same sense @ @ @ @ @ @ @ desire to redecorate .
What else are they going to do with their time ?
“ You go to your nest — it ’ s what people do to feel safe , ” Solomon said .
“ Medically , politically , environmentally .
Nothing is going right , but people can decorate as a creative outlet that also allows them to exert some sort of control , especially when they can ’ t control anything outside of your four walls.
” Victoria Lesina Smith , a research pharmacist at Cornell Medical Center and @ @ @ @ @ @ @ her family to New Jersey .
She ’ s been selling much of her furniture from West Elm , Pottery Barn , and Anthropologie on Facebook Marketplace and LetGo , another resale marketplace .
“ Nothing is going right , but people can decorate as a creative outlet ” “ A lot of this furniture I got when I had my first apartment , and I felt like I ’ ve grown from that taste , ” she said .
“ You want a clean slate with a new place , as opposed @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Lesina Smith , who ’ ve turned to redecorating during the pandemic , are helping spotlight home-improvement companies as one of retail ’ s few shining spots in an otherwise dismal shopping environment .
Home Depot ’ s revenue rose by 23 percent to $ 38 billion from May through July , up from $ 30 billion in the same period last year .
Lowe ’ s same-store sales rose 30 percent in the second quarter to $ 27 billion , compared with $ 21 billion in the second quarter of 2019 .
@ @ @ @ @ @ @ home to do projects and to make the living and working spaces in their houses more comfortable and functional , ” said Saunders .
“ When stimulus checks and enhanced unemployment benefits were paid , a large number of consumers used those funds to do things around the house , including decorating and remodeling.
” Fagiri , AptDeco ’ s CEO , said the company has seen different segments in home goods rise and fall along with Covid-19 habits .
“ With phase 1 of [ coronavirus ] , everyone was saying , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ utility , like organization-type products and bookcases , ’ and once everyone started realizing they were working from home and doing Zoom school long term , we saw people buying stuff to make home and work more comfortable , like desks , ” Fagiri said .
“ Now we ’ re seeing people replacing sofas and living-room furniture because they want their homes to be cozy and to upgrade to better-quality pieces.
” Some brands hold their value while others don ’ t The resale market for furniture has become way more sophisticated @ @ @ @ @ @ @ town .
Platforms like AptDeco provide shipping and disassembly , while many users I spoke to say they prefer Facebook Marketplace because sellers are real people with Facebook profiles .
Of course , this route isn ’ t for everyone .
Facebook Marketplace and NextDoor are convenient ways to buy items locally or within driving distance , but it still requires more time than ordering something online .
There ’ s also the buyer ’ s remorse that can come with shopping in the resale market : feeling pressured to beat out other @ @ @ @ @ @ @ well as the lack of returns .
Not being able to get a sense of a product is another concern that ’ s been exacerbated by Covid-19 , since most sellers are opting for curbside pickup and won ’ t let strangers into their homes to test-drive a couch or table .
Not all brands are created equal when it comes to resale .
On AptDeco , Fagiri said that furniture with the millennial-favorite mid-century design tends to get snatched up quickly .
And even though it has a bad reputation , West @ @ @ @ @ @ @ furniture brands in resale , Fagiri said .
“ West Elm typically retains its value ; if you spend $ 1,000 , you can definitely sell it at a 30 percent discount , ” she said .
Ikea , Fagiri noted , also has a high resale value .
“ Many shoppers are willing to pay a premium to buy Ikea used because their furniture takes forever to assemble , ” she added .
Meanwhile , furniture from Wayfair and sister brands like AllModern also sell for close to their retail price — @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to begin with , plus they ’ re trendy .
But much to the chagrin of sellers , expensive furniture has a harder time moving in resale .
Lesina Smith has found that her ( notoriously expensive ) Anthropologie furniture has plenty of allure — lots of views and messages on Facebook — but few shoppers are willing to spend so much on the brand ’ s home goods , even for half off .
Fagiri said high-end brands like Restoration Hardware and Ethan Allan also take longer to sell on AptDeco , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .
“ The used-furniture shopper is someone who is looking for a deal and has done their research , and a brand like Restoration Hardware doesn ’ t have the same type of brand equity to Gucci , or another high-end brand that would retain its value , ” Fagiri said .
“ There ’ s no level of scarcity at Restoration Hardware , and the stuff is expensive .
So with a lot of supply , people want deals.
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For Jeremy Adams, a software engineer living in the San Francisco Bay Area, the score was a Pottery Barn sectional for $400 on NextDoor.
For Anne Hersh, it was a $800 sideboard buffet she bought on Facebook Marketplace for $30.
And for Avital Chizhik-Goldschmidt, it was a $13,000 Roche Bobois sofa set she got for free from a neighbor.
The furniture resale market is having a moment. With people fleeing cities for more space in the face of coronavirus lockdowns, unemployed millennials moving back home with their parents, and boredom-induced redecorating taking the country by storm, tons of people have been selling their furniture, often at rock-bottom rates. For prowlers like Chizhik-Goldschmidt, Adams, Hersh, and many, many others, their neighbor’s trash is their latest treasure.
“It is like Black Friday every single day, where I can just type a piece of furniture I’m looking for into Facebook Marketplace and buy it for, like, 80 percent off,” Adams gleefully said. He’s been redecorating his apartment with used furniture sold by other engineers leaving the Bay Area. “I will probably never buy another new piece of furniture again.”
“I will probably never buy another new piece of furniture again”
Facebook Marketplace, the social media giant’s portal for buying and selling used goods, has seen a spike in furniture action over the last few months, the company told Vox. Furniture listings have increased nearly 100 percent since April.
Over at NextDoor, a local social networking service for neighborhoods, furniture sales were up 28 percent in August 2020, the company said, compared to the same time last year. Pieces from Ikea, Pottery Barn, and Ashley HomeStore are flooding the app.
On AptDeco, a furniture resale marketplace serving New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut, listings of furniture have nearly tripled since May, said Reham Fagiri, the company’s co-founder and chief executive.
This all spells for victory for furniture buyers, but it’s not a win-win. Besides the inevitable losses for individual sellers, sales at furniture companies could also be impacted, as shoppers who turn to used furniture might abandon retail all together.
“If resale furniture does continue to soar, there could be more of an impact on the retail part of the market,” said Neil Saunders, a retail analyst and the managing director of GlobalData Retail. “Unlike fashion, where people buy a lot of apparel items in any given year, furniture is purchased more infrequently — so if you buy a dining room table via resale, you’re not likely to go out and buy another one anytime soon from a retailer. This is one of the reasons why players like IKEA are looking more seriously at resale and starting to open new concepts as bolt-ons to the main parts of their business.”
The used-furniture market also illustrates which brands do and don’t have resale value — and some of the findings might actually surprise you.
The coronavirus has city dwellers fleeing their apartments — and turning to the resale market to get rid of their furniture
One large segment of people selling their furniture today are city dwellers leaving for the suburbs, favoring more space and cheaper rent.
During the second quarter of 2020, 51 percent of properties seen in America’s most populated metro areas were in the suburbs, according to Realtor.com. An economist at the real estate company Zillow said in July that 64 percent of homebuyers were looking at the suburbs — a stark contrast from the 2010 US census, which found that eight in 10 Americans lived in cities.
“A lot of our friends and neighbors left the city because they were scared of the pandemic, or realized they needed more space when they were under lockdown and were just desperate to get rid of their stuff,” said Chizhik-Goldschmidt, who picked up her new furniture from a fellow synagogue congregant in New York City’s Upper East Side.
Many have argued that the narrative of American cities facing an empty, apocalyptic future because of coronavirus is a huge exaggeration. But lots of former city residents say the pandemic changed their perspective.
Jessica Green, a mother of 1-year-old twins and a fashion retail associate, has been camping out at her parents’ summer house in New Jersey since May. “It was horrible being trapped inside a tiny apartment with two small children,” she said.
Green, whose lease is up in October, decided to let go of her Brooklyn apartment and is now selling all of her furniture on Facebook Marketplace. Her wares include new pieces from AllModern and Room and Board, which she’s had to “sell for pennies.”
“I didn’t want to deal with paying movers and I’m definitely not looking to pay for storage, so at this point it’s not about making money — it’s about unloading,” Green said. “I would rather just post stuff at prices people will buy.”
Green joined a growing list of young people who moved home during the pandemic due to financial or social hardships. In a September poll from the Pew Research Center, 52 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds reported living with their parents because of Covid-19. Before that, “The highest measured value was in the 1940 census at the end of the Great Depression, when 48% of young adults lived with their parents,” according to the center.
Rebecca Davis recently gave up her Manhattan apartment after fleeing in March to her secondary residence in Florida with her three kids. She convinced her landlord to let her out of her lease and had three weeks to empty her apartment, which was filled with furniture from Pottery Barn, CB2, Article, and Wayfair.
“The hardest part was that I wasn’t on the ground, so I really stuck with selling everything for whatever people wanted to give me,” said Davis, who sold most of her stuff on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace.
A lot of the flight has been residents living in cities with big tech companies, where rents are rising as a result. Now that many tech employers are allowing employees to work from home indefinitely, it’s hard to justify city rent.
But people are also purging their stuff and fleeing out of panic, said Michael Solomon, a consumer psychologist and marketing professor at the Erivan K. Haub School of Business at Saint Joseph’s University.
“It’s a catharsis of some kind because it means people can start over, leave a city, not be tied down to an old life, and just get rid of stuff and make a positive change,” said Solomon. “Selling all your furniture can be about a restoration sense of agency.”
Covid-19 is pushing people to redecorate
Just as a natural market of sellers popped up, so too have buyers — not necessarily out of the same sense of panic, but from a homebound desire to redecorate. What else are they going to do with their time?
“You go to your nest — it’s what people do to feel safe,” Solomon said. “Medically, politically, environmentally. Nothing is going right, but people can decorate as a creative outlet that also allows them to exert some sort of control, especially when they can’t control anything outside of your four walls.”
Victoria Lesina Smith, a research pharmacist at Cornell Medical Center and a former Brooklyn resident, recently moved her family to New Jersey. She’s been selling much of her furniture from West Elm, Pottery Barn, and Anthropologie on Facebook Marketplace and LetGo, another resale marketplace.
“Nothing is going right, but people can decorate as a creative outlet”
“A lot of this furniture I got when I had my first apartment, and I felt like I’ve grown from that taste,” she said. “You want a clean slate with a new place, as opposed to designing around pieces.”
Consumers like Lesina Smith, who’ve turned to redecorating during the pandemic, are helping spotlight home-improvement companies as one of retail’s few shining spots in an otherwise dismal shopping environment. Home Depot’s revenue rose by 23 percent to $38 billion from May through July, up from $30 billion in the same period last year. Lowe’s same-store sales rose 30 percent in the second quarter to $27 billion, compared with $21 billion in the second quarter of 2019.
“People are using their time at home to do projects and to make the living and working spaces in their houses more comfortable and functional,” said Saunders. “When stimulus checks and enhanced unemployment benefits were paid, a large number of consumers used those funds to do things around the house, including decorating and remodeling.”
Fagiri, AptDeco’s CEO, said the company has seen different segments in home goods rise and fall along with Covid-19 habits.
“With phase 1 of [coronavirus], everyone was saying, ‘Let me get these things for utility, like organization-type products and bookcases,’ and once everyone started realizing they were working from home and doing Zoom school long term, we saw people buying stuff to make home and work more comfortable, like desks,” Fagiri said. “Now we’re seeing people replacing sofas and living-room furniture because they want their homes to be cozy and to upgrade to better-quality pieces.”
Some brands hold their value while others don’t
The resale market for furniture has become way more sophisticated since Craigslist was the only game in town. Platforms like AptDeco provide shipping and disassembly, while many users I spoke to say they prefer Facebook Marketplace because sellers are real people with Facebook profiles.
Of course, this route isn’t for everyone. Facebook Marketplace and NextDoor are convenient ways to buy items locally or within driving distance, but it still requires more time than ordering something online.
There’s also the buyer’s remorse that can come with shopping in the resale market: feeling pressured to beat out other shoppers by buying something immediately, as well as the lack of returns. Not being able to get a sense of a product is another concern that’s been exacerbated by Covid-19, since most sellers are opting for curbside pickup and won’t let strangers into their homes to test-drive a couch or table.
Not all brands are created equal when it comes to resale. On AptDeco, Fagiri said that furniture with the millennial-favorite mid-century design tends to get snatched up quickly. And even though it has a bad reputation, West Elm is one of the most in-demand furniture brands in resale, Fagiri said.
“West Elm typically retains its value; if you spend $1,000, you can definitely sell it at a 30 percent discount,” she said.
Ikea, Fagiri noted, also has a high resale value. “Many shoppers are willing to pay a premium to buy Ikea used because their furniture takes forever to assemble,” she added.
Meanwhile, furniture from Wayfair and sister brands like AllModern also sell for close to their retail price — they’re not priced that high to begin with, plus they’re trendy.
But much to the chagrin of sellers, expensive furniture has a harder time moving in resale. Lesina Smith has found that her (notoriously expensive) Anthropologie furniture has plenty of allure — lots of views and messages on Facebook — but few shoppers are willing to spend so much on the brand’s home goods, even for half off.
Fagiri said high-end brands like Restoration Hardware and Ethan Allan also take longer to sell on AptDeco, and usually sell for a steeper discount.
“The used-furniture shopper is someone who is looking for a deal and has done their research, and a brand like Restoration Hardware doesn’t have the same type of brand equity to Gucci, or another high-end brand that would retain its value,” Fagiri said. “There’s no level of scarcity at Restoration Hardware, and the stuff is expensive. So with a lot of supply, people want deals.”
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vox--2020-10-08--Trump returned to the Oval Office. He may still be contagious.

There ’ s a lot we still don ’ t know about President Trump ’ s Covid-19 case , starting with the basics : Is he having trouble breathing ?
Is he experiencing side effects , such as delirium or confusion , from the multiple experimental drugs for Covid-19 he ’ s taking ?
When was his last negative coronavirus test ?
There ’ s another burning question about Trump ’ s health that matters more for the people around him , including his family members and staff at the White House who haven ’ t yet tested positive : @ @ @ @ @ @ @ who have been diagnosed with Covid-19 are supposed to — per Centers of Disease Control and Prevention guidelines — isolate for at least 10 days since they first noticed they were sick or tested positive and since their symptoms have improved , including no fevers for at least 24 hours .
In cases like Trump ’ s that required hospitalization , that isolation period can last even longer .
“ For patients who had severe or critical illness , we wait up to 20 days to state they are noninfectious , ” said @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Brigham and Women ’ s Hospital in Boston who has been caring for Covid-19 patients .
Doctors rely on clinical symptoms because there ’ s no clinically validated way to check if a patient is still contagious — even when the patient is the president .
But we don ’ t know exactly when Trump became symptomatic — one of the many basic facts about his case that ’ s been muddled by confusing reports .
If we go by what his doctors and colleagues have suggested , he started experiencing symptoms on @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .
That means Trump should probably still be isolating for at least two more days — perhaps longer .
Instead , he rode in a car with others on day four of his symptoms , and on day five , took off his mask as he entered the White House .
As of Wednesday , he ’ d returned to the Oval Office to work — necessitating those around him to don N95 masks , gowns , and gloves .
Safely donning and doffing personal protective equipment requires training and can be challenging @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the White House ’ s colossal failure at basic coronavirus prevention measures — such as social distancing , mask-wearing , and contact tracing — it ’ s hard to imagine they ’ ll successfully turn the residence and Oval Office into a model of infection control .
But if the White House wants to prevent more coronavirus cases , they ’ ll have to for this simple fact : Trump may still be contagious .
There ’ s no clinically validated way to test for Covid-19 contagion The best research we have so @ @ @ @ @ @ @ can shed infectious virus for up to nine days after getting sick .
In general , they are most contagious two days before symptom onset , and in the first five days after , as the graph in the tweet below , from this Oxford University Press study , shows .
But these are averages — and they hide a lot of the variability among patients .
Some people are infectious for a shorter period , while others shed virus for up to 20 days after symptom onset .
That ’ s why @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to isolate for at least 10 days after their symptoms appear , or even longer in some cases .
As for Trump , “ potentially he passed through the most infectious stage already , ” said University of St. Andrew ’ s virologist Muge Cevik .
It ’ s also possible the medications he ’ s on , including the antiviral remdesivir , brought down his viral load quickly .
“ But he may be still contagious depending on his symptom onset.
” Doctors rely on the date symptoms appeared , or the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ don ’ t notice symptoms , because there ’ s actually no proven way to show that a person is no longer infectious .
The diagnostics available to check for infection — PCR tests — “ can ’ t distinguish between intact , infectious virus and degraded viral genetic material , ” Ilan Schwartz , an infectious disease doctor and professor at the University of Alberta , told Vox .
Doctors could use something called the CT , or cycle threshold , that ’ s part of the PCR test .
It ’ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ s viral load , and if the number gets higher over time , the viral load in the sample is getting smaller .
But the link between a person ’ s CT number and their transmissibility is still not fully understood , said University of Michigan infectious disease doctor Kevin Gregg .
“ There are not completely established guidelines for [ using CT values ] , ” he added .
So it ’ s not something doctors typically rely on to determine how long a patient should isolate .
That ’ s why @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Trump ] should be isolating , ” Gregg said , “ so as not to infect members of his family , the staff of the White House , and other people.
” “ We don ’ t say , ‘ It ’ s been 10 days , you can take off your mask ’ ” There is one other , more advanced , way to check on a person ’ s contagiousness : cell culturing .
Scientists used the technique in many of the studies that informed the quarantine period .
It involves @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the SARS-CoV-2 virus , waiting for them to incubate , and seeing whether the virus can still grow in them .
One of Trump ’ s physicians , Jason Blaylock of Walter Reed National Military Medical Center , mentioned the president ’ s medical team was working with “ various laboratories in the area , state of the art facilities ... on obtaining advanced diagnostic testing to really inform the White House medical team of both the status of the president as well as his ability to transmit virus to others.
” He @ @ @ @ @ @ @ cell culturing was what he was referring to .
Yet even that isn ’ t foolproof for use in patients .
“ There is a big difference between the virus being culturable in a Petri dish full of cells derived from a monkey ’ s kidney and being capable of infecting the respiratory epithelium of living people , ” Schwartz said .
“ This test has absolutely not been validated for ruling out SARS-CoV-2 infectiousness in people.
” What ’ s more , it takes several days to grow the virus and get @ @ @ @ @ @ @ don ’ t think they ’ d have that information yet , ” said Gregg .
Even after isolation , patients are still advised to wear a face mask .
“ If someone had Covid , after the contagious period is over , it doesn ’ t mean you go out and do things as usual , ” said Preeti Malani , an editor at JAMA and infectious disease doctor who treats Covid-19 patients .
“ We don ’ t say , ‘ It ’ s been 10 days , you can take @ @ @ @ @ @ @ treat people as if they might be infectious because the truth is we don ’ t know.
” Instead of mask-wearing , the White House has relied heavily on testing to prevent outbreaks .
That , too , is problematic .
“ Many White House officials have been feeling comfortable after receiving a negative test , ” Cevik said , “ but maybe they don ’ t necessarily understand or haven ’ t been told the negative test doesn ’ t give you 100 percent clearance.
” As Vox ’ s Brian Resnick @ @ @ @ @ @ @ a multiplicity of reasons — including improper swabbing or taking the test before someone has enough virus to test positive .
This means anyone who encountered Trump , who wasn ’ t wearing full personal protective equipment while Trump is infectious , could now be carrying the virus , even if they ’ ve tested negative .
According to guidelines , those people should be quarantining for 14 days , too .
If the White House wants to prevent more coronavirus infections , they ’ ll have to change course .
“ Testing @ @ @ @ @ @ @ prevent onward transmission , ” Cevik said .
But isolating — in addition to masks , contact tracing , social distancing , and testing — can .
Correction , October 7 : This article originally misattributed a quotation by Ilan Schwartz on the limits of advanced Covid-19 diagnostics to Sigal Yawetz .
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There’s a lot we still don’t know about President Trump’s Covid-19 case, starting with the basics: Is he having trouble breathing? Is he experiencing side effects, such as delirium or confusion, from the multiple experimental drugs for Covid-19 he’s taking? When was his last negative coronavirus test?
There’s another burning question about Trump’s health that matters more for the people around him, including his family members and staff at the White House who haven’t yet tested positive: Is the president still contagious?
Patients who have been diagnosed with Covid-19 are supposed to — per Centers of Disease Control and Prevention guidelines — isolate for at least 10 days since they first noticed they were sick or tested positive and until their symptoms have improved, including no fevers for at least 24 hours.
In cases like Trump’s that required hospitalization, that isolation period can last even longer. “For patients who had severe or critical illness, we wait up to 20 days to state they are noninfectious,” said Sigal Yawetz, an attending physician at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston who has been caring for Covid-19 patients.
Doctors rely on clinical symptoms because there’s no clinically validated way to check if a patient is still contagious — even when the patient is the president.
But we don’t know exactly when Trump became symptomatic — one of the many basic facts about his case that’s been muddled by confusing reports. If we go by what his doctors and colleagues have suggested, he started experiencing symptoms on Thursday, a day before entering hospital.
That means Trump should probably still be isolating for at least two more days — perhaps longer.
Instead, he rode in a car with others on day four of his symptoms, and on day five, took off his mask as he entered the White House. As of Wednesday, he’d returned to the Oval Office to work — necessitating those around him to don N95 masks, gowns, and gloves.
Safely donning and doffing personal protective equipment requires training and can be challenging for even highly experienced clinicians. Considering the White House’s colossal failure at basic coronavirus prevention measures — such as social distancing, mask-wearing, and contact tracing — it’s hard to imagine they’ll successfully turn the residence and Oval Office into a model of infection control.
But if the White House wants to prevent more coronavirus cases, they’ll have to for this simple fact: Trump may still be contagious.
There’s no clinically validated way to test for Covid-19 contagion
The best research we have so far on Covid-19 transmissibility suggests that people can shed infectious virus for up to nine days after getting sick. In general, they are most contagious two days before symptom onset, and in the first five days after, as the graph in the tweet below, from this Oxford University Press study, shows.
When we look at the viral load dynamics & contact tracing studies, those who are infected are very infectious for a short window, likely 1-2 days before and 5 days following symptom onset. No transmission documented so far after the first week of symptom onset. (7/n) pic.twitter.com/DmTVh4ur4O — Muge Cevik (@mugecevik) September 21, 2020
But these are averages — and they hide a lot of the variability among patients. Some people are infectious for a shorter period, while others shed virus for up to 20 days after symptom onset.
That’s why doctors and public health officials ask patients to isolate for at least 10 days after their symptoms appear, or even longer in some cases.
As for Trump, “potentially he passed through the most infectious stage already,” said University of St. Andrew’s virologist Muge Cevik. It’s also possible the medications he’s on, including the antiviral remdesivir, brought down his viral load quickly. “But he may be still contagious depending on his symptom onset.”
Doctors rely on the date symptoms appeared, or the first positive test in cases where people don’t notice symptoms, because there’s actually no proven way to show that a person is no longer infectious. The diagnostics available to check for infection — PCR tests — “can’t distinguish between intact, infectious virus and degraded viral genetic material,” Ilan Schwartz, an infectious disease doctor and professor at the University of Alberta, told Vox.
Doctors could use something called the CT, or cycle threshold, that’s part of the PCR test. It’s a measure of a person’s viral load, and if the number gets higher over time, the viral load in the sample is getting smaller. But the link between a person’s CT number and their transmissibility is still not fully understood, said University of Michigan infectious disease doctor Kevin Gregg.
“There are not completely established guidelines for [using CT values],” he added. So it’s not something doctors typically rely on to determine how long a patient should isolate.
That’s why — as a precaution — “[Trump] should be isolating,” Gregg said, “so as not to infect members of his family, the staff of the White House, and other people.”
“We don’t say, ‘It’s been 10 days, you can take off your mask’”
There is one other, more advanced, way to check on a person’s contagiousness: cell culturing. Scientists used the technique in many of the studies that informed the quarantine period. It involves infecting animal cells in Petri dishes with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, waiting for them to incubate, and seeing whether the virus can still grow in them.
One of Trump’s physicians, Jason Blaylock of Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, mentioned the president’s medical team was working with “various laboratories in the area, state of the art facilities ... on obtaining advanced diagnostic testing to really inform the White House medical team of both the status of the president as well as his ability to transmit virus to others.”
He didn’t specify, but perhaps cell culturing was what he was referring to. Yet even that isn’t foolproof for use in patients. “There is a big difference between the virus being culturable in a Petri dish full of cells derived from a monkey’s kidney and being capable of infecting the respiratory epithelium of living people,” Schwartz said. “This test has absolutely not been validated for ruling out SARS-CoV-2 infectiousness in people.”
There is NO validated test of infectiousness for COVID19. The closest is cell culture - a nasopharyngeal swab inoculated into kidney cells in a lab. & it takes days. Does a ⛔ result mean not infectious to people? ♂
No shortcuts: Need to wait 10 days from symptom onset! https://t.co/6K6LXL8x8j — Ilan Schwartz MD PhD (@GermHunterMD) October 6, 2020
What’s more, it takes several days to grow the virus and get a reliable result. “So I don’t think they’d have that information yet,” said Gregg.
Even after isolation, patients are still advised to wear a face mask. “If someone had Covid, after the contagious period is over, it doesn’t mean you go out and do things as usual,” said Preeti Malani, an editor at JAMA and infectious disease doctor who treats Covid-19 patients. “We don’t say, ‘It’s been 10 days, you can take off your mask.’ We continue to treat people as if they might be infectious because the truth is we don’t know.”
Instead of mask-wearing, the White House has relied heavily on testing to prevent outbreaks. That, too, is problematic. “Many White House officials have been feeling comfortable after receiving a negative test,” Cevik said, “but maybe they don’t necessarily understand or haven’t been told the negative test doesn’t give you 100 percent clearance.”
As Vox’s Brian Resnick reports, coronavirus tests can fail for a multiplicity of reasons — including improper swabbing or taking the test before someone has enough virus to test positive. This means anyone who encountered Trump, who wasn’t wearing full personal protective equipment while Trump is infectious, could now be carrying the virus, even if they’ve tested negative. According to guidelines, those people should be quarantining for 14 days, too.
If the White House wants to prevent more coronavirus infections, they’ll have to change course. “Testing on its own is not going to prevent onward transmission,” Cevik said. But isolating — in addition to masks, contact tracing, social distancing, and testing — can.
Eliza Barclay contributed reporting to this story.
Correction, October 7: This article originally misattributed a quotation by Ilan Schwartz on the limits of advanced Covid-19 diagnostics to Sigal Yawetz.


vox--2020-10-08--The first post-VP debate poll says Kamala Harris won

Quick polls of who won a political debate are necessarily imperfect indicators .
They include only those who watched the debate rather than the broader electorate , and they precede the coming several days of spin wars and media narratives that will help shape voters ’ understanding of what happened .
Keeping those shortcomings in mind , the first poll we have of vice presidential debate viewers is good news for Sen. Kamala Harris — and her running mate , Joe Biden .
The poll , conducted by CNN and SSRS , found that 59 percent of debate watchers thought @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Vice President Mike Pence won , an impressive margin of victory for Harris .
( This poll is different from those simple web polls in which anyone can vote — it ’ s a methodologically sound albeit somewhat hasty poll in which respondents are contacted at random . )
CNN ’ s David Chalian pointed out on air that part of Harris ’ s margin is explained by the poll ’ s sample skewing more Democratic .
But that ’ s not enough to explain all of Harris ’ s margin : 38 @ @ @ @ @ @ @ percent were Republicans , and 33 percent were independents .
The poll also found that 63 percent of respondents said they thought Harris was qualified to be president , while 65 percent said they thought Pence is qualified .
( This means many respondents who thought Pence lost the debate still thought he was qualified to be president . )
Chalian also pointed out that there was a massive gender gap in opinions of the debate .
Per the poll , 69 percent of women who watched thought Harris won , and 30 @ @ @ @ @ @ @ viewers , it was a near tie — 48 percent thought Harris won , and 46 percent thought Pence did .
In comparison , a poll by CNN after the 2016 vice presidential debate found that Pence won : 48 percent of respondents that year gave the victory to Pence and 42 percent to Hillary Clinton ’ s running mate , Sen. Tim Kaine ( D-VA ) .
A vice presidential debate is unlikely to make much of a difference in the broader race — especially this year , with President Donald Trump @ @ @ @ @ @ @ with Biden continuing to lead big in polls , Trump is running out of time to turn things around .
Some Republicans hoped Pence could start that turnaround at the debate .
According to this initial poll , at least , he has not .
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Quick polls of who won a political debate are necessarily imperfect indicators. They include only those who watched the debate rather than the broader electorate, and they precede the coming several days of spin wars and media narratives that will help shape voters’ understanding of what happened.
Keeping those shortcomings in mind, the first poll we have of vice presidential debate viewers is good news for Sen. Kamala Harris — and her running mate, Joe Biden.
The poll, conducted by CNN and SSRS, found that 59 percent of debate watchers thought Harris won, and 38 percent thought Vice President Mike Pence won, an impressive margin of victory for Harris. (This poll is different from those simple web polls in which anyone can vote — it’s a methodologically sound albeit somewhat hasty poll in which respondents are contacted at random.)
CNN’s David Chalian pointed out on air that part of Harris’s margin is explained by the poll’s sample skewing more Democratic. But that’s not enough to explain all of Harris’s margin: 38 percent of respondents were Democrats, 29 percent were Republicans, and 33 percent were independents.
Results of the CNN instant poll: 59% say Harris won, 38% say Pence won. pic.twitter.com/aiy7Ee3Mx3 — Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) October 8, 2020
The poll also found that 63 percent of respondents said they thought Harris was qualified to be president, while 65 percent said they thought Pence is qualified. (This means many respondents who thought Pence lost the debate still thought he was qualified to be president.)
Chalian also pointed out that there was a massive gender gap in opinions of the debate. Per the poll, 69 percent of women who watched thought Harris won, and 30 percent thought Pence did. Among male viewers, it was a near tie — 48 percent thought Harris won, and 46 percent thought Pence did.
In comparison, a poll by CNN after the 2016 vice presidential debate found that Pence won: 48 percent of respondents that year gave the victory to Pence and 42 percent to Hillary Clinton’s running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA).
A vice presidential debate is unlikely to make much of a difference in the broader race — especially this year, with President Donald Trump continuing to dominate the news. But with Biden continuing to lead big in polls, Trump is running out of time to turn things around. Some Republicans hoped Pence could start that turnaround at the debate. According to this initial poll, at least, he has not.


vox--2020-10-08--“Mr. Vice President, I’m speaking”: Kamala Harris repeatedly shut down Mike Pence’s interruptions at

“Mr. Vice President, I’m speaking”: Kamala Harris repeatedly shut down Mike Pence’s interruptions at the debate

Among the similarities between President Donald Trump and his No .
2 : Vice President Mike Pence didn ’ t mind interrupting his debate opponent , either .
According to data from NBC News , Pence interrupted Kamala Harris roughly twice as many times as she interrupted him during Wednesday ’ s vice presidential debate .
It ’ s a pattern that ’ s in line with research about how comfortable men are interrupting women in many contexts , including meetings : According to a 2014 study from George Washington University , men interrupted 33 percent more when they were @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , and women didn ’ t interrupt to the same degree .
Ultimately , Pence interrupted Harris 16 times , based on the NBC data , while she interrupted him nine times .
Both are a far cry from how frequently Trump did the same to former Vice President Joe Biden and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton , though Wednesday ’ s breakdown still speaks to a broader dynamic of male candidates being willing to talk over female ones .
Harris repeatedly made clear that she wouldn ’ t stand by as @ @ @ @ @ @ @ President , I ’ m speaking , ” she said on multiple occasions , actively calling out Pence on his behavior .
Her exasperation may not have won everyone to her side , but it did resonate with many women on social media who have had this same experience .
After the debate , a similar dynamic even appeared to play out on a CNN panel .
The interruptions weren ’ t the only times Harris pushed back on Pence ’ s tone and approach .
In one instance , Pence questioned Harris @ @ @ @ @ @ @ California attorney general — on which she ’ s also faced scrutiny from progressive activists — by seemingly portraying himself as the authority on the criminal justice system .
Harris both attempted to respond to the critique and questioned why he was attempting to lecture her on an area where she ’ s an expert .
“ I will not sit here and be lectured by the vice president on what it means to enforce the laws of our country , ” she said .
Pence ’ s approach and demeanor throughout the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ questions posed to him about pivotal issues including health care , while pressing Harris to provide responses to him — read like a condescending double standard that many women encounter in the workplace , Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez noted in a tweet .
As Pence made evident on Wednesday , although his and Trump ’ s styles may be different , both are more than comfortable taking performative postures — and talking over others to do it — while often lacking substance themselves .
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Among the similarities between President Donald Trump and his No. 2: Vice President Mike Pence didn’t mind interrupting his debate opponent, either. According to data from NBC News, Pence interrupted Kamala Harris roughly twice as many times as she interrupted him during Wednesday’s vice presidential debate.
It’s a pattern that’s in line with research about how comfortable men are interrupting women in many contexts, including meetings: According to a 2014 study from George Washington University, men interrupted 33 percent more when they were speaking with a woman versus a man, and women didn’t interrupt to the same degree.
Ultimately, Pence interrupted Harris 16 times, based on the NBC data, while she interrupted him nine times. Both are a far cry from how frequently Trump did the same to former Vice President Joe Biden and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, though Wednesday’s breakdown still speaks to a broader dynamic of male candidates being willing to talk over female ones.
Harris repeatedly made clear that she wouldn’t stand by as it happened. “Mr. Vice President, I’m speaking,” she said on multiple occasions, actively calling out Pence on his behavior. Her exasperation may not have won everyone to her side, but it did resonate with many women on social media who have had this same experience. After the debate, a similar dynamic even appeared to play out on a CNN panel.
“Mr. Vice President, I’m speaking” @KamalaHarris is every woman who has ever been talked over in her workplace. #VPDebate #GenderLens2020 — Jennie Sweet-Cushman (@jenniesweetcush) October 8, 2020
Amazing moment just now on CNN where Gloria Borger, the sole woman on a panel with 4 men, starts to explain what it was like for women to watch Kamala get repeatedly interrupted but can't finish because the men on the panel interrupt her. And she says "Mr Santorum, I'm talking." — Patrick Radden Keefe (@praddenkeefe) October 8, 2020
The interruptions weren’t the only times Harris pushed back on Pence’s tone and approach.
In one instance, Pence questioned Harris’s record on criminal justice as California attorney general — on which she’s also faced scrutiny from progressive activists — by seemingly portraying himself as the authority on the criminal justice system. Harris attempted to respond to the critique and questioned why he was trying to lecture her on an area where she’s an expert.
“I will not sit here and be lectured by the vice president on what it means to enforce the laws of our country,” she said.
Pence’s approach and demeanor throughout the debate — including his unwillingness to answer questions posed to him about pivotal issues including health care, while pressing Harris to provide responses to him — read like a condescending double standard that many women encounter in the workplace, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez noted in a tweet.
Pence demanding that Harris answer *his* own personal questions when he won’t even answer the moderator’s is gross, and exemplary of the gender dynamics so many women have to deal with at work. — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) October 8, 2020
As Pence made evident on Wednesday, although his and Trump’s styles may be different, both are more than comfortable taking performative postures — and talking over others to do it — while often lacking substance themselves.