skynewsus--2020-10-08--VP debate: Polite and well-mannered, but evasive and forgettable

They call it the 'do no harm ' debate and , well , it did no harm .
After this vice presidential showdown , it would be a surprise if there was any change in the polls .
Sure , Kamala Harris and Mike Pence tackled the big issues but there was little we had n't heard before and there was no game-changing headline .
What we did get was evasion .
By Mike Pence on healthcare and people with pre-existing conditions , by Kamala Harris on speculation that Democrats intend to pack the Supreme Court with like-minded judges .
@ @ @ @ @ @ @ ' , as the candidates sat 12 feet apart with plexiglass between them .
The virus loomed large in debate , as did the economy , the Supreme Court , foreign policy and the transfer of power following the election - Mike Pence declined to guarantee a peaceful process .
There was plenty to pore over for the political purists but , for the average American viewer and voter , maybe not so much .
The debate was strikingly different from last week 's version played out by the presidential candidates .
By @ @ @ @ @ @ @ albeit not without interruptions .
Kamala Harris presented a calm , positive demeanour speaking directly to camera , even if she did n't have a 'moment ' that she 's become known for in on-stage political debate .
Mike Pence reminded the audience of his professional background as a smooth-talking radio talk show host as he made his best efforts to deconstruct the Biden-Harris case in a way that could shift an electorate that 's largely made up its mind .
In the event , neither did the heavy lifting that would shift @ @ @ @ @ @ @ little to influence the fringes .
Tellingly , one of the more memorable moments was when a fly landed on Mike Pence 's white hair and would n't leave .
It was agonising and seemingly never-ending .
Unforgettable in one of the more forgettable US political TV showdowns .

They call it the 'do no harm' debate and, well, it did no harm.
After this vice presidential showdown, it would be a surprise if there was any change in the polls. Sure, Kamala Harris and Mike Pence tackled the big issues but there was little we hadn't heard before and there was no game-changing headline.
What we did get was evasion. By Mike Pence on healthcare and people with pre-existing conditions, by Kamala Harris on speculation that Democrats intend to pack the Supreme Court with like-minded judges. And more.
The furniture screamed 'coronavirus', as the candidates sat 12 feet apart with plexiglass between them. The virus loomed large in debate, as did the economy, the Supreme Court, foreign policy and the transfer of power following the election - Mike Pence declined to guarantee a peaceful process.
There was plenty to pore over for the political purists but, for the average American viewer and voter, maybe not so much.
Please use Chrome browser for a more accessible video player 0:57 'Doctors - not Trump - should endorse vaccine'
The debate was strikingly different from last week's version played out by the presidential candidates. By contrast, this was polite and well-mannered albeit not without interruptions.
Kamala Harris presented a calm, positive demeanour speaking directly to camera, even if she didn't have a 'moment' that she's become known for in on-stage political debate.
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Mike Pence reminded the audience of his professional background as a smooth-talking radio talk show host as he made his best efforts to deconstruct the Biden-Harris case in a way that could shift an electorate that's largely made up its mind.
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In the event, neither did the heavy lifting that would shift their respective core vote and there was little to influence the fringes.
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Tellingly, one of the more memorable moments was when a fly landed on Mike Pence's white hair and wouldn't leave. It was agonising and seemingly never-ending.
Unforgettable in one of the more forgettable US political TV showdowns.


skynewsus--2020-10-07--US election polling: How does it work and who is ahead?

As the race for president ramps up , you will hear a lot about polls ahead of the big day on 3 November .
Sky News looks into what the point of polling is and what the landscape is like for Democrat Joe Biden and Republican Donald Trump .
What does polling aim to do and how are polls conducted ?
Political polling aims to predict which presidential candidate is most favoured at that time .
Professional pollsters rely on answers from a sample of people , this can be anywhere from a few hundred to more than 1,000 , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ larger population .
They use other data , such as past voting behaviour , to estimate the probability of who will cast a ballot as many more people say they will vote than actually do .
There is always a margin of error in polling , highlighted by two pollsters putting Hillary Clinton 's chances of winning the 2016 race at 99 % - something which raised concerns over its efficacy .
Mrs Clinton also lead in the polls for virtually the entire 2016 contest , but still lost in the Electoral College @ @ @ @ @ @ @ was because a higher proportion of undecided voters ultimately voted for Mr Trump over Mrs Clinton , most state polls over-represented college graduates and rural turnout was higher than expected and lower in urban counties .
In general , national polls are more accurate than state polls .
What are the polls saying ?
National polls up to 5 October have Mr Biden leading substantially over Mr Trump , from between eight points and 16 points ahead of the president .
`` The chance anyone loses the Electoral College when up eight points @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 's political forecaster Harry Enten said .
But , there is still just under a month to go until the election on 3 November .
Where have Trump and Biden been in the polls during key moments of the campaign ?
Using data from poll analysis website Fivethirtyeight , Sky News has pinpointed some of the key moments to track how the two candidates have been doing in the polls .
1 June : Biden 70 % Trump 30 % .
Following a week of nationwide protests over the killing of black man @ @ @ @ @ @ @ July : Biden 72 % Trump 28 % .
Poll reactions after both candidates speak on Fourth of July , with Biden focusing on hope and unity and Trump speaks out about `` leftists , looters and agitators '' 7 August : Biden 70 % Trump 30 % .
Trump says Biden is `` against God '' as he tries to make up ground in crucial Midwestern states 1 September : Biden 69 % Trump 31 % .
Trump defends the alleged shooting of two men by one of his supporters 11 September @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .
The pair avoid each other at a commemoration service for the 9/11 attack .
Mr Biden has continued to increase his popularity since then 19 September : Biden 77 % Trump 22 % .
Both candidates pay tribute to Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg , a Democrat , who died the day before .
Mr Biden says he is proud to be working class 1 October : Biden 80 % Trump 20 % .
Following the first presidential debate two days before , Biden gets a boost while Trump 's popularity @ @ @ @ @ @ @ % Trump 17 % .
The country reacts to Mr Trump being in hospital for COVID-19 then returning to the White House where many of his close aides test positive .
How does voting work in the US ?
The US system works by people casting their vote for president - the popular vote .
Electors who represent their state 's vote then cast their vote in the Electoral College and it is those votes that determine who wins .
A candidate needs the votes of at least 270 electors - more than @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the presidential election .
It is therefore possible to lose the popular vote - so less people actually vote for a candidate - but still win the election by earning more of the Electoral College votes , like Donald Trump did in 2016 .
What are the swing state polls saying ?
Swing states , also known as battleground or toss-up states , hold disproportionate sway in presidential elections and are decided by the Electoral College .
Millions of dollars are poured into campaigning in swing states as they can switch from one @ @ @ @ @ @ @ providing the valuable additional college votes needed to win the White House .
Here is how both men are doing in the 12 battleground states , according to Fivethirtyeight analysis : : : Subscribe to the Daily podcast on Apple Podcasts , Google Podcasts , Spotify , Spreaker In the 2016 presidential election , Mr Trump was up against Mrs Clinton and she won the popular vote by 2.87 million more votes .
However , Mr Trump received the majority of votes in the Electoral College , notably from the pivotal Rust Belt @ @ @ @ @ @ @ total while Mrs Clinton had 227 .
Two `` faithless electors '' - those who defy who they pledged to vote for - defected from Mr Trump to vote for Mrs Clinton , while five defected from her to vote for the now-president .
In July , Supreme Court judges ruled that states can require their electors to cast their ballot for the candidate who won their state 's popular vote , therefore avoiding defections .
Thirty-three states , plus the District of Columbia , now have laws against faithless electors , although @ @ @ @ @ @ @ no enforcement mechanism .

As the race for president ramps up, you will hear a lot about polls ahead of the big day on 3 November.
Sky News looks into what the point of polling is and what the landscape is like for Democrat Joe Biden and Republican Donald Trump.
What are the polls saying?
National polls up to 25 October have Mr Biden leading over Mr Trump, from between six points and 12 points ahead of the president - a smaller gap than three weeks before when he was between eight and 16 points ahead.
Image: Some states have already carried out early voting
"The chance anyone loses the Electoral College when up eight points nationally is basically nil," CNN's political forecaster Harry Enten said at the beginning of October.
That was when there was just under a month to go until the election on 3 November, but now there is just a week to go.
Where have Trump and Biden been in the polls during key moments of the campaign?
Using data from poll analysis website Fivethirtyeight, Sky News has pinpointed some of the key moments to track how the two candidates have been doing in the polls, using an average of all the polls to determine their chances of winning.
1 June: Biden 70% Trump 30%. Following a week of nationwide protests over the killing of black man George Floyd by a police officer
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29 June: Biden 79% Trump 21%. Coronavirus cases reach a record high of 40,000 daily infections
Please use Chrome browser for a more accessible video player 0:44 Biden: 'You're the worst president America has ever had'
6 July: Biden 72% Trump 28%. Poll reactions after both candidates speak on Fourth of July, with Biden focusing on hope and unity and Trump speaks out about "leftists, looters and agitators"
7 August: Biden 70% Trump 30%. Trump says Biden is "against God" as he tries to make up ground in crucial Midwestern states
1 September: Biden 69% Trump 31%. Trump defends the alleged shooting of two men by one of his supporters
11 September: Biden 75% Trump 24%. The pair avoid each other at a commemoration service for the 9/11 attack. Mr Biden has continued to increase his popularity since then
19 September: Biden 77% Trump 22%. Both candidates pay tribute to Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg, a Democrat, who died the day before. Mr Biden says he is proud to be working class
Please use Chrome browser for a more accessible video player 0:44 Trump on Biden: 'There's nothing smart about you, Joe'
1 October: Biden 80% Trump 20%. Following the first presidential debate two days before, Biden gets a boost while Trump's popularity dips.
6 October: Biden 82% Trump 17%. The country reacts to Mr Trump being in hospital for COVID-19 then returning to the White House where many of his close aides test positive.
13 October: Biden 87% Trump 13%. Returning to the campaign trail, Mr Trump begged suburban women in Pennsylvania to vote for him because he "saved your damn neighbourhood". Since this day the polls have hardly moved.
18 October: Biden 87% Trump 12%. With early voting open in many states, both candidates start ramping up their campaigns in swing states and urge Americans to vote. Mr Trump criticises Mr Biden for saying he would approve a lockdown if recommended by scientists.
23 October: Biden 87% Trump 13%. The day after their second, and final, debate which was more restrained on both sides than the previous debate. The president put in a strong performance but failed to increase his chances in the polls.
26 October: Biden 87% Trump 12%. Heading into the final week, both candidates focus on the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Florida - as early voting reaches a record 62 million ballots, 15m more than in 2016 by this point.
How does voting work in the US?
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The US system works by people casting their vote for president - the popular vote.
Electors who represent their state's vote then cast their vote in the Electoral College and it is those votes that determine who wins.
A candidate needs the votes of at least 270 electors - more than half of all electors - to win the presidential election. It is therefore possible to lose the popular vote - so less people actually vote for a candidate - but still win the election by earning more of the Electoral College votes, like Donald Trump did in 2016.
What are the swing state polls saying?
Swing states, also known as battleground or toss-up states, hold disproportionate sway in presidential elections and are decided by the Electoral College.
Millions of dollars are poured into campaigning in swing states as they can switch from one party to another in different elections, providing the valuable additional college votes needed to win the White House.
Image: Donald Trump has said mail-in ballots lead to election fraud, but the COVID-19 pandemic means millions will use them
Here is how both men are doing in the 12 battleground states, according to Fivethirtyeight analysis:
Arizona - Biden to win (66% chance)
Florida - Biden to win (66% chance)
Georgia - Toss-up (Trump 54%, Biden 46%)
Iowa - Toss-up (Trump 50%, Biden 50%) - Trump was predicted to win with a 63% chance on 6 October
Image: Swing states such as Pennsylvania, where Mr Biden was on 6 October, get a lot of focus
Michigan - Biden to win (94% chance)
Minnesota - Biden to win (92% chance)
Nevada - Biden to win (91% chance) - up from 85% on 6 October
North Carolina - Biden to win (65% chance)
Ohio - Trump to win (Biden 42% Trump 58%) - a change from Biden 51%, Trump 49% on 6 October
Pennsylvania - Biden to win (85% chance)
Texas - Trump to win (67% chance)
Wisconsin - Biden to win (89% chance)
What does polling aim to do and how are polls conducted?
Political polling aims to predict which presidential candidate is most favoured at that time.
Image: Voters in Maryland can place their ballots into a pavement drop box from their cars to prevent the spread of coronavirus
Professional pollsters rely on answers from a sample of people, this can be anywhere from a few hundred to more than 1,000, with the aim of representing a much larger population.
They use other data, such as past voting behaviour, to estimate the probability of who will cast a ballot as many more people say they will vote than actually do.
There is always a margin of error in polling, highlighted by two pollsters putting Hillary Clinton's chances of winning the 2016 race at 99% - something which raised concerns over its efficacy. Mrs Clinton also led in the polls for virtually the entire 2016 contest, but still lost in the Electoral College.
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However, experts found out that was because a higher proportion of undecided voters ultimately voted for Mr Trump over Mrs Clinton, most state polls over-represented college graduates and rural turnout was higher than expected and lower in urban counties.
In general, national polls are more accurate than state polls.
What happened last time?
In the 2016 presidential election, Mr Trump was up against Mrs Clinton and she won the popular vote by 2.87 million more votes.
However, Mr Trump received the majority of votes in the Electoral College, notably from the pivotal Rust Belt region, gaining 304 electoral votes in total while Mrs Clinton had 227.
Two "faithless electors" - those who defy who they pledged to vote for - defected from Mr Trump, while five defected from Mrs Clinton. All seven switched their vote to people not on the ballot.
In July, Supreme Court judges ruled that states can require their electors to cast their ballot for the candidate who won their state's popular vote, therefore avoiding defections.
Thirty-three states, plus the District of Columbia, now have laws against faithless electors, although the laws in half of them have no enforcement mechanism.


skynewsus--2020-10-08--Celebrities strip off to warn voters 'naked ballots' could invalidate their election votes

US celebrities have stripped off as part of a campaign to urge people to make sure their vote counts in the country 's presidential election next month .
Model Naomi Campbell , actors Tiffany Haddish , Amy Schumer , Josh Gad and Mark Ruffalo , as well as comedians Chris Rock and Sarah Silverman are among the famous faces that have helped produce a video to raise awareness about so-called `` naked ballots '' .
In some states , election officials are able to reject postal votes if they do not include a `` secrecy envelope '' - second sleeves @ @ @ @ @ @ @ how someone voted .
The top election official in Philadelphia , Pennsylvania , has expressed concerns that thousands of such naked ballots could be rejected in November , based on rates from previous elections .
`` I know what you 're thinking - you 're thinking , Ruffalo , put your clothes on , '' Ruffalo says in the video .
Silverman adds : `` If you do n't do exactly as I tell you , then your ballot could get thrown out . ''
`` Read and follow the instructions that come @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .
Josh Silver , the co-founder of campaign group RepresentUS who produced the video , said : `` This is not a partisan issue ; it affects all people planning to vote by mail .
`` We 're grateful to this committed and talented group for making an eye-catching video so that everyone understands what they need to do to ensure their vote is counted . ''
US President Donald Trump is bidding for re-election on 3 November against Democratic challenger Joe Biden .
In Wednesday night 's vice-presidential debate , Republican Mike @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the coronavirus crisis , the economy and race relations .

US celebrities have stripped off as part of a campaign to urge people to make sure their vote counts in the country's presidential election next month.
Model Naomi Campbell, actors Tiffany Haddish, Amy Schumer, Josh Gad and Mark Ruffalo, as well as comedians Chris Rock and Sarah Silverman are among the famous faces that have helped produce a video to raise awareness about so-called "naked ballots".
In some states, election officials are able to reject postal votes if they do not include a "secrecy envelope" - second sleeves that help prevent poll workers from seeing how someone voted.
Image: Sarah Silverman warns voters: 'If you don't do exactly as I tell you, then your ballot could get thrown out'
The top election official in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has expressed concerns that thousands of such naked ballots could be rejected in November, based on rates from previous elections.
"I know what you're thinking - you're thinking, Ruffalo, put your clothes on," Ruffalo says in the video.
Silverman adds: "If you don't do exactly as I tell you, then your ballot could get thrown out."
"Read and follow the instructions that come with your ballot," says Rock.
Image: Actor Mark Ruffalo has also taken part in the campaign Pic: RepresentUs
Josh Silver, the co-founder of campaign group RepresentUS who produced the video, said: "This is not a partisan issue; it affects all people planning to vote by mail.
"We're grateful to this committed and talented group for making an eye-catching video so that everyone understands what they need to do to ensure their vote is counted."
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US President Donald Trump is bidding for re-election on 3 November against Democratic challenger Joe Biden.
In Wednesday night's vice-presidential debate, Republican Mike Pence and Democrat Kamala Harris clashed on the coronavirus crisis, the economy and race relations.


skynewsus--2020-10-08--Debate chaos as Trump wants to delay face-offs, Biden says no

Donald Trump 's campaign has proposed pushing back the final two presidential debates with Joe Biden by one week .
Earlier , the US president said he would refuse to take part in a virtual debate on 15 October that organisers were planning in response to his coronavirus diagnosis .
In a statement , Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien suggested that in-person debates should be held on 22 and 29 October instead .
He added : `` As President Trump said , a virtual debate is a non-starter and would clearly be a gift to Biden because he would be @ @ @ @ @ @ @ bunker .
`` Voters should have the opportunity to directly question Biden 's 47-year failed record of leadership . ''
: : Subscribe to Divided States on Apple podcasts , Google Podcasts , Spotify , and Spreaker But Joe Biden 's campaign said Mr Trump `` does n't make the debate schedule '' and he should stick to it .
`` Trump 's erratic behaviour does not allow him to rewrite the calendar , and pick new dates of his choosing , '' his communications director Kate Bedingfield said .
`` We look @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , scheduled for 22 October , which already is tied for the latest debate date in 40 years .
Donald Trump can show up , or he can decline again .
That 's his choice . ''
The Commission on Presidential Debates , a non-partisan committee that has organised all presidential debates since 1988 , had proposed altering the second TV clash between the Republican and Democrat candidates .
It was originally meant to be a `` town hall '' style event , with the two men facing questions drawn half from a @ @ @ @ @ @ @ itself and the rest from social media .
But the organisers said the debate should be moved online instead to `` protect the health and safety of all involved '' , given Mr Trump got his positive coronavirus test seven days ago - last Thursday evening .
In that time , the US president has been in and out of hospital .
Vice President Mike Pence and Mr Biden 's running mate Kamala Harris also faced off in a TV debate last night , but were separated by clear plastic screens .

Donald Trump's campaign has proposed pushing back the final two presidential debates with Joe Biden by one week.
Earlier, the US president said he would refuse to take part in a virtual debate on 15 October that organisers were planning in response to his coronavirus diagnosis.
In a statement, Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien suggested that in-person debates should be held on 22 and 29 October instead.
Please use Chrome browser for a more accessible video player 1:35 No movement of dates for Biden
He added: "As President Trump said, a virtual debate is a non-starter and would clearly be a gift to Biden because he would be relying on his teleprompter from his basement bunker.
"Voters should have the opportunity to directly question Biden's 47-year failed record of leadership."
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But Joe Biden's campaign said Mr Trump "doesn't make the debate schedule" and he should stick to it.
"Trump's erratic behaviour does not allow him to rewrite the calendar, and pick new dates of his choosing," his communications director Kate Bedingfield said.
"We look forward to participating in the final debate, scheduled for 22 October, which already is tied for the latest debate date in 40 years. Donald Trump can show up, or he can decline again. That's his choice."
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Please use Chrome browser for a more accessible video player 0:27 Trump 'won't waste time' on virtual debate
The Commission on Presidential Debates, a non-partisan committee that has organised all presidential debates since 1988, had proposed altering the second TV clash between the Republican and Democrat candidates.
It was originally meant to be a "town hall" style event, with the two men facing questions drawn half from a group of undecided voters in the hall itself and the rest from social media.
Please use Chrome browser for a more accessible video player 12:38 Highlights from Pence vs Harris debate
But the organisers said the debate should be moved online instead to "protect the health and safety of all involved", given Mr Trump got his positive coronavirus test seven days ago - last Thursday evening.
In that time, the US president has been in and out of hospital.
Vice President Mike Pence and Mr Biden's running mate Kamala Harris also faced off in a TV debate last night, but were separated by clear plastic screens.


skynewsus--2020-10-08--Disagreement over when the next debate should be suits Trump just fine - for several reasons

It might just be the excuse he needs .
A second debate that was already promising to rein in the excesses of a petulant president is never going to suit him .
Discussion of increased controls , clamping down on interruptions and cutting mics was already shaping a format to squeeze his rumbustious style .
A considered sitdown conversation would suit Joe Biden better than a president who riffs on the generalities of power and promises , but is vulnerable when penetrated on the detail .
And there are questions that get lost in heated debate that hang heavier in @ @ @ @ @ @ @ might be : `` Mr President , when did you last test negative [ for coronavirus ] ? ''
Donald Trump is more music hall than modern age and the public stage works best for him .
The comedy schtick that stirs a Trump rally carries him through a performance in a way that considered detail does n't .
It does n't chime with everyone but it works for the Trump base and it works inside his head .
So does the situation as it stands - stalled .
Framing this as the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ theme that delivered for him in 2016 .
The politics of the political debate have duly unfolded from the president 's initial announcement .
Joe Biden pencilled in his own , alternative event for 15 October - a Q & A with members of the public .
It would have the effect , to some degree , of empty-chairing Mr Trump .
Team Trump responded by suggesting the debate schedule was pushed back a week , to 22 October and 29 October , which would move the schedule to within four days of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Divided States on Apple podcasts , Google Podcasts , Spotify , and Spreaker TV debates have been shown to have little effect on voting intentions but , to maximise any influence , the preferred date of a trailing candidate would be the eve of a poll .
And Donald Trump has been consistently behind in the polls .
The suggestion of a shift in dates was promptly dismissed by the Biden campaign .
It is a game of bluff that locks candidates and campaigns into a dispute over election infrastructure .
And , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ voting public looks in on the politics of process rather than choice .

It might just be the excuse he needs.
A second debate that was already promising to rein in the excesses of a petulant president is never going to suit him.
Discussion of increased controls, clamping down on interruptions and cutting mics was already shaping a format to squeeze his rumbustious style.
Please use Chrome browser for a more accessible video player 0:27 Trump 'won't waste time' on virtual debate
A considered sitdown conversation would suit Joe Biden better than a president who riffs on the generalities of power and promises, but is vulnerable when penetrated on the detail.
And there are questions that get lost in heated debate that hang heavier in controlled debate. Mr Biden's first might be: "Mr President, when did you last test negative [for coronavirus]?"
Donald Trump is more music hall than modern age and the public stage works best for him.
The comedy schtick that stirs a Trump rally carries him through a performance in a way that considered detail doesn't.
It doesn't chime with everyone but it works for the Trump base and it works inside his head.
So does the situation as it stands - stalled.
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Please use Chrome browser for a more accessible video player 12:38 Highlights from Pence vs Harris debate
Framing this as the insurgent versus the establishment would reheat a theme that delivered for him in 2016.
The politics of the political debate have duly unfolded from the president's initial announcement.
Joe Biden pencilled in his own, alternative event for 15 October - a Q&A with members of the public. It would have the effect, to some degree, of empty-chairing Mr Trump.
Team Trump responded by suggesting the debate schedule was pushed back a week, to 22 October and 29 October, which would move the schedule to within four days of the election.
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TV debates have been shown to have little effect on voting intentions but, to maximise any influence, the preferred date of a trailing candidate would be the eve of a poll.
And Donald Trump has been consistently behind in the polls.
The suggestion of a shift in dates was promptly dismissed by the Biden campaign.
It is a game of bluff that locks candidates and campaigns into a dispute over election infrastructure.
And, not for the first time, a voting public looks in on the politics of process rather than choice.


skynewsus--2020-10-08--FBI undercover agents 'foil plot' to kidnap US governor at her vacation home

Six men have been charged with plotting to overthrow Michigan 's government and kidnap its governor .
They are accused of conspiring to abduct Gretchen Whitmer from her holiday home , with one of the suspects saying that he wanted to try her for `` treason '' .
According to a court filing , they plotted for months , consulted and trained with militia members , and even rehearsed the kidnapping in August and September .
Governor Whitmer has thanked law enforcement for apprehending and charging what she has described as `` sick and depraved men '' , who were @ @ @ @ @ @ @ me '' .
She also added that `` hatred , bigotry and violence have no place in the state of Michigan '' .
Ms Whitmer also pinned some blame on President Donald Trump , noting that he did not condemn white supremacists in last week 's debate with presidential rival Joe Biden and instead told a far-right group to `` stand back and stand by '' .
She said : `` Hate groups heard the president 's words , not as a rebuke but as a rallying cry , as a call to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , their words matter .
They carry weight . ''
But in a statement , White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said : `` President Trump has continually condemned white supremacists and all forms of hate .
`` Governor Whitmer is sowing division by making these outlandish allegations .
America stands united against hate and in support of our federal law enforcement who stopped this plot . ''
The six `` violent extremists '' - Adam Fox , Barry Croft , Ty Garbin , Kaleb Franks , Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta - @ @ @ @ @ @ @ face life in prison if convicted .
According to the FBI , one of the suspects was quoted as saying : `` She has no checks and balances at all .
She has uncontrolled power right now .
All good things must come to an end . ''
Governor Whitmer has been praised , but also deeply criticised - including by Mr Trump - for the state 's response to coronavirus after she put major restrictions on personal movement and on the economy , although many of those limits have now been lifted @ @ @ @ @ @ @ said a 1945 law used as the foundation for many of her orders was unconstitutional .
However , there is no suggestion in the criminal complaint that the men were inspired by Mr Trump .
On one video livestreamed to a private Facebook group in June , Fox complained about the judicial system and restrictions against gym openings due to COVID-19 .
According to the complaint , he said : `` I do n't know , boys , we got ta do something .
You guys link with me on our other location @ @ @ @ @ @ @ what we can do . ''
In a statement , Facebook said : `` We remove content , disable accounts and immediately report to law enforcement when there is a credible threat of imminent harm to people or public safety .
`` We proactively reached out and cooperated with the FBI early in this ongoing investigation . ''
According to the FBI , Fox said he needed 200 men to storm the Capitol building in Lansing and take hostages , including the governor .
It is claimed he would execute the plan before @ @ @ @ @ @ @ but the group later shifted to targeting the governor 's holiday home .
Prosecutors said two of the men had discussed detonating explosive devices to divert police from Ms Whitmer 's residence , and one of them had even inspected the underside of a bridge for places to lodge an explosive .
Informants and undercover agents were used to thwart the alleged plot .
`` Our efforts uncovered elaborate plans to endanger the lives of law enforcement officers , government officials and the broader public , '' Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel told @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to Divided States on Apple podcasts , Google Podcasts , Spotify , and Spreaker According to FBI special agent Richard Trask , one of the men had posted in an encrypted chat - saying he did not want a final training exercise to be held in the last week of October because it would not leave enough time to execute the kidnapping before the election .
Mr Trask added : `` The group agreed to use the time until the final training exercise to raise money for explosives and other supplies . ''
@ @ @ @ @ @ @ charged seven people with plotting to target law enforcement and attack the State Capitol building .
The group , all in custody , are allegedly linked to the militia group Wolverine Watchmen .
They are suspected of attempting to identify the homes of law enforcement officers to `` target them '' and `` made threats of violence intended to instigate a civil war '' .

Thirteen men have been charged with plotting to overthrow Michigan's government and kidnap its governor.
They are accused of conspiring to abduct Gretchen Whitmer from her holiday home, with one of the suspects saying that he wanted to try her for "treason".
According to a court filing, they plotted for months, consulted and trained with militia members, and even rehearsed the kidnapping in August and September.
Image: 10 of the 13 people charged by the FBI: (Top L-R) William Null, Eric Molitor, Kaleb Franks, Ty Garbin and Adam Fox. (Bottom L-R) Michael Null, Pete Musico, Joseph Morrison
Governor Whitmer has thanked law enforcement for apprehending and charging what she has described as "sick and depraved men", who were "preparing to kidnap and possibly kill me".
She also added that "hatred, bigotry and violence have no place in the state of Michigan".
Ms Whitmer also pinned some blame on President Donald Trump, noting that he did not condemn white supremacists in last week's debate with presidential rival Joe Biden and instead told a far-right group to "stand back and stand by".
She said: "Hate groups heard the president's words, not as a rebuke but as a rallying cry, as a call to action.
"When our leaders speak, their words matter. They carry weight."
But in a statement, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said: "President Trump has continually condemned white supremacists and all forms of hate.
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"Governor Whitmer is sowing division by making these outlandish allegations. America stands united against hate and in support of our federal law enforcement who stopped this plot."
Image: Gretchen Whitmer has said 'hatred, bigotry and violence have no place in the state of Michigan'. File pic
The accused were arrested on Wednesday, and all face life in prison if convicted.
According to the FBI, one of the suspects was quoted as saying: "She has no checks and balances at all. She has uncontrolled power right now. All good things must come to an end."
Governor Whitmer has been praised, but also deeply criticised - including by Mr Trump - for the state's response to coronavirus after she put major restrictions on personal movement and on the economy, although many of those limits have now been lifted.
The Michigan Supreme Court last week said a 1945 law used as the foundation for many of her orders was unconstitutional.
However, there is no suggestion in the criminal complaint that the men were inspired by Mr Trump.
On one video livestreamed to a private Facebook group in June, one of the suspects complained about the judicial system and restrictions against gym openings due to COVID-19.
According to the complaint, he said: "I don't know, boys, we gotta do something. You guys link with me on our other location system, give me some ideas of what we can do."
Image: Thirteen men have been charged with plotting to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
In a statement, Facebook said: "We remove content, disable accounts and immediately report to law enforcement when there is a credible threat of imminent harm to people or public safety.
"We proactively reached out and cooperated with the FBI early in this ongoing investigation."
According to the FBI, accused Adam Fox said he needed 200 men to storm the Capitol building in Lansing and take hostages, including the governor.
It is claimed he would execute the plan before the presidential election on 3 November, but the group later shifted to targeting the governor's holiday home.
Prosecutors said two of the men had discussed detonating explosive devices to divert police from Ms Whitmer's residence, and one of them had even inspected the underside of a bridge for places to lodge an explosive.
Informants and undercover agents were used to thwart the alleged plot.
"Our efforts uncovered elaborate plans to endanger the lives of law enforcement officers, government officials and the broader public," Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel told a news conference.
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According to FBI special agent Richard Trask, one of the men had posted in an encrypted chat - saying he did not want a final training exercise to be held in the last week of October because it would not leave enough time to execute the kidnapping before the election.
Mr Trask added: "The group agreed to use the time until the final training exercise to raise money for explosives and other supplies."
Meanwhile, Michigan's attorney general has charged seven people with plotting to target law enforcement and attack the State Capitol building.
The group, all in custody, are allegedly linked to the militia group Wolverine Watchmen.
They are suspected of attempting to identify the homes of law enforcement officers to "target them" and "made threats of violence intended to instigate a civil war".


skynewsus--2020-10-08--Drive-in films to be eligible for Oscars in 2021

Films shown at drive-in cinemas will be eligible for the Oscars in 2021 , the Academy has announced .
The new rule has been approved by its board of governors for the best picture and general entry categories following the closure of movie theatres due to the coronavirus pandemic .
It comes after a move announced in April to allow films streamed online to be in the running .
At the time , Oscars organisers said it would be a `` temporary exception '' .
Cinemas around the world were closed as the COVID-19 crisis hit but had been slowly @ @ @ @ @ @ @ following renewed delays to key releases - such as new James Bond film No Time To Die - Cineworld announced this week that its screens will now be closed until 2021 .
Separately , rival cinema chain Odeon revealed it is to switch to weekend-only opening at a quarter of its 120 sites .
The release of films including the new Batman outing and sci-fi story Dune have also been delayed in what has been a huge blow for cinema chains .
And when it comes to the ceremony itself , next year @ @ @ @ @ @ @ from February to 25 April 2021. : : Subscribe to the Backstage podcast on Apple Podcasts , Google Podcasts , Spotify , Spreaker Drive-in cinemas are popular in the US and were trialled in the UK over the summer .
However , many events - as well as drive-in gigs , too - were later cancelled due to local lockdowns which came into force .
The new rule states that a theatrical run of only seven days is needed in one of at least six qualifying areas - Los Angeles County , City @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of California ( counties of San Francisco , Marin , Alameda , San Mateo and Contra Costa , Chicago ) Miami and Atlanta - and that drive-in theatres qualify as a commercial venue .

Films shown at drive-in cinemas will be eligible for the Oscars in 2021, the Academy has announced.
The new rule has been approved by its board of governors for the best picture and general entry categories following the closure of movie theatres due to the coronavirus pandemic.
It comes after a move announced in April to allow films streamed online to be in the running. At the time, Oscars organisers said it would be a "temporary exception".
Cinemas around the world were closed as the COVID-19 crisis hit but had been slowly reopening in recent weeks.
Image: Grease is the ultimate drive-in film. Pic: Grease/Paramount/Park Circus
However, following renewed delays to key releases - such as new James Bond film No Time To Die - Cineworld announced this week that its screens will now be closed until 2021.
Separately, rival cinema chain Odeon revealed it is to switch to weekend-only opening at a quarter of its 120 sites.
The release of films including the new Batman outing and sci-fi story Dune have also been delayed in what has been a huge blow for cinema chains.
And when it comes to the ceremony itself, next year's Oscars event has been pushed back from February to 25 April 2021.
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Drive-in cinemas are popular in the US and were trialled in the UK over the summer.
However, many events - as well as drive-in gigs, too - were later cancelled due to local lockdowns which came into force.
The new rule states that a theatrical run of only seven days is needed in one of at least six qualifying areas - Los Angeles County, City of New York, the Bay area of California (counties of San Francisco, Marin, Alameda, San Mateo and Contra Costa, Chicago) Miami and Atlanta - and that drive-in theatres qualify as a commercial venue.


skynewsus--2020-10-09--Trump cleared to return to public engagements - and says he'll 'probably' hold a rally tomorrow

Donald Trump says he will `` probably '' hold a rally in Florida after he was cleared to resume public engagements from tomorrow .
His physician , Doctor Sean Conley , says the president has completed his course of treatment for coronavirus and that he has responded well .
In a statement released by White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany on Thursday , Dr Conley said : `` Since returning home , his physical exam has remained stable and devoid of any indications to suggest progression of illness .
Overall he 's responded extremely well to treatment , without evidence @ @ @ @ @ @ @ `` Saturday will be day 10 since Thursday 's diagnosis , and based on the trajectory of advanced diagnostics the team has been conducting , I fully anticipate the president 's safe return to public engagements at that time . ''
In an interview with Fox News a little while later , the president said he was feeling `` so good '' and is keen to get back to campaigning .
`` I think I 'm going to try doing a rally on Saturday night , if we have enough time to put @ @ @ @ @ @ @ do a rally ... probably in Florida on Saturday night , might come back and do one in Pennsylvania on the following night , '' Mr Trump said .
He also said he would likely get another test for the virus on Friday .
: : Subscribe to Divided States on Apple podcasts , Google Podcasts , Spotify , and Spreaker Mr Trump and first lady Melania were diagnosed with coronavirus on 2 October after one of the president 's closest aides , Hope Hicks , tested positive .
The president spent a @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Medical Center in Bethesda , Maryland , where he was taken as a precaution .
Earlier , Mr Trump said he would refuse to take part in a virtual debate on 15 October that organisers were planning in response to his coronavirus diagnosis .
His campaign manager Bill Stepien suggested that in-person debates should be held on 22 and 29 October instead .
The president had said he was n't willing to `` waste time '' on a virtual debate .
Mr Stepien said a virtual debate would only serve Joe Biden who @ @ @ @ @ @ @ from his basement bunker '' .
Mr Biden 's campaign said Mr Trump `` does n't make the debate schedule '' , and that his `` erratic behaviour does not allow him to rewrite the calendar , and pick new dates of his choosing '' .
Suggesting Mr Biden would go ahead with the debate either way , the statement added : `` We look forward to participating in the final debate , scheduled for 22 October , which already is tied for the latest debate date in 40 years .
Donald Trump @ @ @ @ @ @ @ decline again .
That 's his choice . ''

Donald Trump says he will "probably" hold a rally in Florida after he was cleared to resume public engagements from tomorrow.
His physician, Doctor Sean Conley, says the president has completed his course of treatment for coronavirus and that he has responded well.
In a statement released by White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany on Thursday, Dr Conley said: "Since returning home, his physical exam has remained stable and devoid of any indications to suggest progression of illness. Overall he's responded extremely well to treatment, without evidence on examination of adverse therapeutic effects.
Image: President Trump says he is feeling 'so good'
"Saturday will be day 10 since Thursday's diagnosis, and based on the trajectory of advanced diagnostics the team has been conducting, I fully anticipate the president's safe return to public engagements at that time."
In an interview with Fox News a little while later, the president said he was feeling "so good" and is keen to get back to campaigning.
"I think I'm going to try doing a rally on Saturday night, if we have enough time to put it together, but we want to do a rally... probably in Florida on Saturday night, might come back and do one in Pennsylvania on the following night," Mr Trump said.
He also said he would likely get another test for the virus on Friday.
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Mr Trump and first lady Melania were diagnosed with coronavirus on 2 October after one of the president's closest aides, Hope Hicks, tested positive.
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The president spent a few days at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland, where he was taken as a precaution.
Earlier, Mr Trump said he would refuse to take part in a virtual debate on 15 October that organisers were planning in response to his coronavirus diagnosis.
Image: Joe Biden called the president's behaviour 'erratic'
His campaign manager Bill Stepien suggested that in-person debates should be held on 22 and 29 October instead.
The president had said he wasn't willing to "waste time" on a virtual debate.
Mr Stepien said a virtual debate would only serve Joe Biden who "would be relying on his teleprompter from his basement bunker".
Mr Biden's campaign said Mr Trump "doesn't make the debate schedule", and that his "erratic behaviour does not allow him to rewrite the calendar, and pick new dates of his choosing".
Suggesting Mr Biden would go ahead with the debate either way, the statement added: "We look forward to participating in the final debate, scheduled for 22 October, which already is tied for the latest debate date in 40 years. Donald Trump can show up, or he can decline again. That's his choice."


skynewsus--2020-10-09--The plot to kidnap a US governor: Everything you need to know

Thirteen people have been arrested and charged in a takedown of suspected plots to kidnap the governor of Michigan , attack the State Capitol building and incite violence .
Gretchen Whitmer , the governor who was allegedly targeted , has linked the plots with President Trump 's rhetoric - saying his past comments had been a `` rallying cry '' .
Seven of those charged have been found to be associated with the `` boogaloo '' movement - whose self-described members have said they want to incite a second US civil war .
Here 's what we know about the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the people who allegedly wanted to kidnap Ms Whitmer and attack the State Capitol building ?
Six of the suspects - Adam Fox , Barry Croft , Ty Garbin , Kaleb Franks , Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta - were arrested on Wednesday and face life in prison if convicted .
They were charged with plotting to overthrow Michigan 's government and kidnap the governor .
They had allegedly been training with seven militiamen - who planned to target law enforcement and attack the State Capitol building .
It is not clear if @ @ @ @ @ @ @ but the seven militiamen who were also arrested are associated with the Wolverine Watchmen group .
Wolverine Watchmen believes in the `` boogaloo '' movement , which is largely dedicated to eradicating the government and killing law enforcement officers .
Self-described members of the movement have committed acts of violence and killed police officers in the US in recent months , often in attempts to ignite what they believe will be a second civil war .
Who is the governor of Michigan ?
Gretchen Whitmer has been the Democrat governor of the state @ @ @ @ @ @ @ by some for her response to the coronavirus outbreak after she imposed major restrictions on personal movement and on the economy .
However , she has also been the target of extreme vitriol from far-right groups over her handling of the pandemic .
Ms Whitmer has linked the suspected plot to kidnap her to President Trump 's rhetoric .
Just hours after the arrests were announced on Thursday , she said that the president 's words had been a `` rallying cry '' for extremists .
`` When our leaders speak , their @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .
`` They carry weight . ''
There is so far no indication in the criminal complaint that the men arrested were inspired by Mr Trump .
Why did the men want to abduct Ms Whitmer ?
The FBI has quoted one of the accused as saying Ms Whitmer `` has no checks and balances at all .
She has uncontrolled power right now .
All good things must come to an end '' .
In a video livestreamed to a private Facebook group in June , Adam Fox was seen complaining about @ @ @ @ @ @ @ openings due to COVID-19 .
According to a criminal complaint , he said : `` I do n't know , boys , we got ta do something .
You guys link with me on our other location system , give me some ideas of what we can do . ''
The criminal complaint stated : `` Fox said that after kidnapping the governor , the group would remove her to a secure location in Wisconsin for 'trial ' . ''
How did the group allegedly plan to carry out the kidnapping ?
The @ @ @ @ @ @ @ for months .
They are even said to have rehearsed the attack in August and September , after having training with the Wolverine Watchmen group .
Fox and Croft have been accused of being the ringleaders , and footage of a basement where Fox was living has been posted on Twitter by Susan Samples , from WOODTV in Grand Rapids , Michigan .
At a 27 July meeting , Fox and an informant are said to have discussed a possible kidnapping of Ms Whitmer , with the defendant allegedly saying : `` Snatch @ @ @ @ @ @ @ f****** governor .
Just grab the b**** .
Because at that point , we do that , dude - it 's over . ''
Fox had initially said he needed 200 men to storm the Capitol building in Lansing and take hostages , including the governor , the FBI has said .
It is claimed he wanted to execute the plan before the US election on 3 November .
However , the group later shifted its focus to targeting the governor 's holiday home .
Prosecutors have said two members of the group @ @ @ @ @ @ @ police from Ms Whitmer 's residence .
The prosecutors allege one of the two men had even inspected the underside of a bridge for places to put an explosive .
: : Subscribe to Divided States on Apple podcasts , Google Podcasts , Spotify , and Spreaker How did the FBI foil the alleged plot ?
The arrests grew out of an inquiry that began in March and focused on militia groups discussing the `` violent overthrow '' of certain government and law enforcement officials .
Informants and undercover agents were involved in @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Nessel told a news conference : `` Our efforts uncovered elaborate plans to endanger the lives of law enforcement officers , government officials and the broader public . ''
What is the president saying ?
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Donald Trump `` has continually condemned white supremacists and all forms of hate '' .
`` Governor Whitmer is sowing division by making these outlandish allegations , '' she said .
`` America stands united against hate and in support of our federal law enforcement who stopped this plot . ''
@ @ @ @ @ @ @ Governor Whitmer of Michigan has done a terrible job .
She locked down her state for everyone , except her husband 's boating activities .
`` The Federal Government provided tremendous help to the Great People of Michigan .
My Justice Department and Federal Law Enforcement announced today that they foiled a dangerous plot against the Governor of Michigan .
`` Rather than say thank you , she calls me a White Supremacist-while Biden and Democrats refuse to condemn Antifa , Anarchists , Looters and Mobs that burn down Democrat run cities ... @ @ @ @ @ @ @ extreme violence .
Defending ALL Americans , even those who oppose and attack me , is what I will always do as your President !
Governor Whitmer-open up your state , open up your schools , and open up your churches ! ''

Thirteen people have been arrested and charged in a takedown of suspected plots to kidnap the governor of Michigan, attack the State Capitol building and incite violence.
Gretchen Whitmer, the governor who was allegedly targeted, has linked the plots with President Trump's rhetoric - saying his past comments had been a "rallying cry".
Seven of those charged have been found to be associated with the "boogaloo" movement - whose self-described members have said they want to incite a second US civil war.
Here's what we know about the suspected plots in Michigan.
Image: 10 of the 13 people charged by the FBI: (Top L-R) William Null, Eric Molitor, Kaleb Franks, Ty Garbin and Adam Fox. (Bottom L-R) Michael Null, Pete Musico, Joseph Morrison
Who are the people who allegedly wanted to kidnap Ms Whitmer and attack the State Capitol building?
Six of the suspects - Adam Fox, Barry Croft, Ty Garbin, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta - were arrested on Wednesday and face life in prison if convicted.
They were charged with plotting to overthrow Michigan's government and kidnap the governor.
They had allegedly been training with seven militiamen - who planned to target law enforcement and attack the State Capitol building.
It is not clear if the first group has a name - but the seven militiamen who were also arrested are associated with the Wolverine Watchmen group.
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Wolverine Watchmen believes in the "boogaloo" movement, which is largely dedicated to eradicating the government and killing law enforcement officers.
Self-described members of the movement have committed acts of violence and killed police officers in the US in recent months, often in attempts to ignite what they believe will be a second civil war.
Image: Gretchen Whitmer has said 'hatred, bigotry and violence have no place in the state of Michigan'. File pic
Who is the governor of Michigan?
Gretchen Whitmer has been the Democrat governor of the state since 2019.
The 49-year-old was praised by some for her response to the coronavirus outbreak after she imposed major restrictions on personal movement and on the economy.
However, she has also been the target of extreme vitriol from far-right groups over her handling of the pandemic.
Ms Whitmer has linked the suspected plot to kidnap her to President Trump's rhetoric.
Just hours after the arrests were announced on Thursday, she said that the president's words had been a "rallying cry" for extremists.
"When our leaders speak, their words matter," Ms Whitmer said. "They carry weight."
There is so far no indication in the criminal complaint that the men arrested were inspired by Mr Trump.
Image: People gather on the Capitol's steps to express their opposition to Ms Whitmer's coronavirus measures earlier this year
Why did the men want to abduct Ms Whitmer?
The FBI has quoted one of the accused as saying Ms Whitmer "has no checks and balances at all. She has uncontrolled power right now. All good things must come to an end".
In a video livestreamed to a private Facebook group in June, Adam Fox was seen complaining about the judicial system and restrictions against gym openings due to COVID-19.
According to a criminal complaint, he said: "I don't know, boys, we gotta do something. You guys link with me on our other location system, give me some ideas of what we can do."
The criminal complaint stated: "Fox said that after kidnapping the governor, the group would remove her to a secure location in Wisconsin for 'trial'."
How did the group allegedly plan to carry out the kidnapping?
The suspects are said to have plotted it for months.
They are even said to have rehearsed the attack in August and September, after having training with the Wolverine Watchmen group.
Fox and Croft have been accused of being the ringleaders, and footage of a basement where Fox was living has been posted on Twitter by Susan Samples, from WOODTV in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
At a 27 July meeting, Fox and an informant are said to have discussed a possible kidnapping of Ms Whitmer, with the defendant allegedly saying: "Snatch and grab, man. Grab the f****** governor. Just grab the b****. Because at that point, we do that, dude - it's over."
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Fox had initially said he needed 200 men to storm the Capitol building in Lansing and take hostages, including the governor, the FBI has said.
It is claimed he wanted to execute the plan before the US election on 3 November.
However, the group later shifted its focus to targeting the governor's holiday home.
Prosecutors have said two members of the group had discussed detonating explosive devices to divert police from Ms Whitmer's residence.
The prosecutors allege one of the two men had even inspected the underside of a bridge for places to put an explosive.
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How did the FBI foil the alleged plot?
The arrests grew out of an inquiry that began in March and focused on militia groups discussing the "violent overthrow" of certain government and law enforcement officials.
Informants and undercover agents were involved in the investigation.
Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel told a news conference: "Our efforts uncovered elaborate plans to endanger the lives of law enforcement officers, government officials and the broader public."
What is the president saying?
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Donald Trump "has continually condemned white supremacists and all forms of hate".
"Governor Whitmer is sowing division by making these outlandish allegations," she said. "America stands united against hate and in support of our federal law enforcement who stopped this plot."
Later, the president tweeted: "Governor Whitmer of Michigan has done a terrible job. She locked down her state for everyone, except her husband's boating activities.
"The Federal Government provided tremendous help to the Great People of Michigan. My Justice Department and Federal Law Enforcement announced today that they foiled a dangerous plot against the Governor of Michigan.
"Rather than say thank you, she calls me a White Supremacist-while Biden and Democrats refuse to condemn Antifa, Anarchists, Looters and Mobs that burn down Democrat run cities...
"...I do not tolerate ANY extreme violence. Defending ALL Americans, even those who oppose and attack me, is what I will always do as your President! Governor Whitmer-open up your state, open up your schools, and open up your churches!"


skynewsus--2020-10-09--Yale sued by the US govt for discrimination in applications process

Yale University is being sued by the US government for discriminating against Asian American and white applicants .
The lawsuit - filed by the Justice Department - comes after the same agency publicly accused Yale of discrimination , stating that Asian American students only have `` one-tenth '' and white students `` one-fourth '' the likelihood of being accepted compared to black students with similar academic results .
The Ivy League institution has replied saying the allegations are `` baseless '' .
In documents filed at a Connecticut federal court , the US Justice Department claims the university `` discriminates @ @ @ @ @ @ @ its undergraduate admissions process , and that race is the determinative factor in hundreds of admissions decisions each year '' .
A statement from Yale 's president Peter Salovey said : `` As our country grapples with urgent questions about race and social justice , I have never been more certain that Yale 's approach to undergraduate admissions helps us to fulfil our mission to improve the world today and for future generations . ''
The investigation by the Justice Department started with a complaint in 2016 against Yale - as well as @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .
Officials said the inquiry found evidence that Yale uses race as a factor at multiple stages of the admissions process and `` racially balances its classes '' .
It is not the first time the Trump administration has been linked to action against a university for discrimination in its application system .
In 2018 , the Justice Department backed a case launched against Harvard that made similar claims about prejudice against Asian Americans .
The courts have so far ruled in favour of the college in this suit - although a challenge @ @ @ @ @ @ @ federal appeals court in September this year .
The US Supreme Court has ruled on more than one occasion that universities can consider the race of applicants as long as it is done so in a narrowly tailored way to promote diversity .
Educational institutes also have to show why the consideration of race is relevant .
Yale said in a statement that it complies with the Supreme Court 's precedent and that it looks at `` the whole person when selecting whom to admit among the many thousands of highly qualified applicants @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Department told Yale to stop using race as an admissions factor but the university refused , according to officials .
Assistant attorney general Eric Dreiband said : `` All persons who apply for admission to colleges and universities should expect and know that they will be judged by their character , talents , and achievements and not the colour of their skin .
`` To do otherwise is to permit our institutions to foster stereotypes , bitterness , and division . ''

Yale University is being sued by the US government for discriminating against Asian American and white applicants.
The lawsuit - filed by the Justice Department - comes after the same agency publicly accused Yale of discrimination, stating that Asian American students only have "one-tenth" and white students "one-fourth" the likelihood of being accepted compared to black students with similar academic results.
The Ivy League institution has replied saying the allegations are "baseless".
Image: Yale is not the first university to face pressure from the Trump administration over its application process
In documents filed at a Connecticut federal court, the US Justice Department claims the university "discriminates based on race and national origin in its undergraduate admissions process, and that race is the determinative factor in hundreds of admissions decisions each year".
A statement from Yale's president Peter Salovey said: "As our country grapples with urgent questions about race and social justice, I have never been more certain that Yale's approach to undergraduate admissions helps us to fulfil our mission to improve the world today and for future generations."
The investigation by the Justice Department started with a complaint in 2016 against Yale - as well as fellow Ivy League universities Brown and Dartmouth.
Officials said the inquiry found evidence that Yale uses race as a factor at multiple stages of the admissions process and "racially balances its classes".
It is not the first time the Trump administration has been linked to action against a university for discrimination in its application system.
In 2018, the Justice Department backed a case launched against Harvard that made similar claims about prejudice against Asian Americans.
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The courts have so far ruled in favour of the college in this suit - although a challenge to the decision was heard at a federal appeals court in September this year.
The US Supreme Court has ruled on more than one occasion that universities can consider the race of applicants as long as it is done so in a narrowly tailored way to promote diversity.
Educational institutes also have to show why the consideration of race is relevant.
Yale said in a statement that it complies with the Supreme Court's precedent and that it looks at "the whole person when selecting whom to admit among the many thousands of highly qualified applicants".
In August, the Justice Department told Yale to stop using race as an admissions factor but the university refused, according to officials.
Assistant attorney general Eric Dreiband said: "All persons who apply for admission to colleges and universities should expect and know that they will be judged by their character, talents, and achievements and not the colour of their skin.
"To do otherwise is to permit our institutions to foster stereotypes, bitterness, and division."


skynewsus--2020-10-09--Ryanair: Troubled 737 MAX flying again 'in next month or so'

Ryanair says it expects the troubled Boeing 737 MAX to return to service in the US within the `` next month or so '' .
It would pave the way for the company to start receiving its order early next year , one of its senior executives said .
The aircraft has been grounded worldwide since two deadly crashes just a few months apart .
Eddie Wilson , chief executive of Ryanair 's main airlines business , told Ireland 's Newstalk radio it had 200 of the planes on order .
He added : `` The first of those ( @ @ @ @ @ @ @ in very early 2021 .
`` The FAA ( Federal Aviation Administration ) finished their test flights last week and it looks like it 's going to go back into service in the US in the next month or so and we 'll take our first deliveries as part of that order .
`` EASA , the European agency , ( and the FAA ) are working very closely . ''
It comes a day after it was reported that Boeing was in talks about supplying the aircraft to Alaska Air .
Both @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 's understood to be part of negotiations between Boeing and several airlines over orders or compensation linked to the plane 's grounding .
The ban in March 2019 came after an Ethiopian Airlines flight crashed just minutes after take-off from Addis Ababa , killing 157 people .
That followed another involving the 737 MAX in October 2018 , when a Lion Air flight crashed off Indonesia , killing 189 people .
Boeing was forced to compensate airlines affected , leading to its first annual loss since 1997 in January , while major work @ @ @ @ @ @ @ systems and get the plane signed off again as safe .
A damning report from the US House of Representatives ' transportation and infrastructure committee last month said the crashes were `` not the result of a singular failure , technical mistake , or mismanaged event '' .
`` They were the horrific culmination of a series of faulty technical assumptions by Boeing 's engineers , a lack of transparency on the part of Boeing 's management , and grossly insufficient oversight by the FAA . ''
Test flights were allowed to resume @ @ @ @ @ @ @ demanded further design work .
On Tuesday the FAA issued a draft report on revised training procedures for the aircraft , a major step as it works towards a return to service .
Boeing 's finances were hammered by the crisis , closely followed by a fall in demand for air travel due to the coronavirus pandemic .

Ryanair says it expects the troubled Boeing 737 MAX to return to service in the US within the "next month or so".
It would pave the way for the company to start receiving its order early next year, one of its senior executives said.
The aircraft has been grounded worldwide since two deadly crashes just a few months apart.
Eddie Wilson, chief executive of Ryanair's main airlines business, told Ireland's Newstalk radio it had 200 of the planes on order.
He added: "The first of those (orders) we would hope to arrive in very early 2021.
"The FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) finished their test flights last week and it looks like it's going to go back into service in the US in the next month or so and we'll take our first deliveries as part of that order.
"EASA, the European agency, (and the FAA) are working very closely."
It comes a day after it was reported that Boeing was in talks about supplying the aircraft to Alaska Air.
Both businesses declined to comment, but it's understood to be part of negotiations between Boeing and several airlines over orders or compensation linked to the plane's grounding.
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The ban in March 2019 came after an Ethiopian Airlines flight crashed just minutes after take-off from Addis Ababa, killing 157 people.
That followed another involving the 737 MAX in October 2018, when a Lion Air flight crashed off Indonesia, killing 189 people.
Boeing was forced to compensate airlines affected, leading to its first annual loss since 1997 in January, while major work has been ongoing to correct dangerous flight systems and get the plane signed off again as safe.
A damning report from the US House of Representatives' transportation and infrastructure committee last month said the crashes were "not the result of a singular failure, technical mistake, or mismanaged event".
"They were the horrific culmination of a series of faulty technical assumptions by Boeing's engineers, a lack of transparency on the part of Boeing's management, and grossly insufficient oversight by the FAA."
Test flights were allowed to resume in June, but the regulator also demanded further design work.
On Tuesday the FAA issued a draft report on revised training procedures for the aircraft, a major step as it works towards a return to service.
Boeing's finances were hammered by the crisis, closely followed by a fall in demand for air travel due to the coronavirus pandemic.


skynewsus--2020-10-09--Rapper Tory Lanez charged with shooting Megan Thee Stallion

Rapper Tory Lanez has been charged with shooting fellow star Megan Thee Stallion during an argument earlier this year .
Lanez , 28 , is accused of shooting the 25-year-old in both feet following a party in the Hollywood Hills in July .
He has been charged with assault with a semi-automatic firearm , carrying a loaded , unregistered firearm in a vehicle , and inflicting great bodily injury , Los Angeles District Attorney 's Office said .
His arraignment will take place on 13 October and prosecutors say he faces a maximum sentence of 22 years and eight months @ @ @ @ @ @ @ real name is Daystar Peterson , is thought to have been in an SUV with Megan , whose real name is Megan Pete , on 12 July .
The pair got into an argument after going to a party and as Megan went to leave the car , Lanez shot `` several times '' at her feet , prosecutors claim .
Megan spoke about the alleged incident in an Instagram video , saying she was `` extremely grateful to be alive '' and describing it as a `` traumatic night '' .
She @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to hospital where bullets were removed from her feet .
The 25-year-old , who is from Houston , said in the clip : `` Yes ... Tory shot me .
You shot me and you got your publicist and people to these blogs lying .
Stop lying ! ''
Lanez , who is originally from Canada , previously denied shooting her , claiming in a song released last month that he had been framed .
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Megan Thee Stallion was featured in Time magazine 's 100 most influential people in the world list and her song Savage , which features Beyonce , was an international hit .

Rapper Tory Lanez has been charged with shooting fellow star Megan Thee Stallion during an argument earlier this year.
Lanez, 28, is accused of shooting the 25-year-old in both feet following a party in the Hollywood Hills in July.
He has been charged with assault with a semi-automatic firearm, carrying a loaded, unregistered firearm in a vehicle, and inflicting great bodily injury, Los Angeles District Attorney's Office said.
His arraignment will take place on 13 October and prosecutors say he faces a maximum sentence of 22 years and eight months in prison if convicted.
Image: The star, 25, opened up about the alleged incident in an Instagram live
Lanez, real name is Daystar Peterson, is thought to have been in an SUV with Megan, whose real name is Megan Pete, on 12 July.
The pair got into an argument after going to a party and as Megan went to leave the car, Lanez shot "several times" at her feet, prosecutors claim.
Megan spoke about the alleged incident in an Instagram video, saying she was "extremely grateful to be alive" and describing it as a "traumatic night".
Image: The rapper was included in Time magazine's list of the 100 most influential people
She told her followers that police took her to hospital where bullets were removed from her feet.
The 25-year-old, who is from Houston, said in the clip: "Yes ... Tory shot me. You shot me and you got your publicist and people to these blogs lying. Stop lying!"
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Lanez, who is originally from Canada, previously denied shooting her, claiming in a song released last month that he had been framed.
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In the song Money Over Fallouts, he says: "you get shot in your foot, don't hit no bones or tendons?"
Megan Thee Stallion was featured in Time magazine's 100 most influential people in the world list and her song Savage, which features Beyonce, was an international hit.


skynewsus--2020-10-09--Trump to speak at campaign event in Florida - but second debate with Biden will not go ahead

Donald Trump will speak at an event in Florida on Monday as he returns to the campaign trail after his coronavirus diagnosis - but his second debate with presidential rival Joe Biden will not go ahead .
The Commission on Presidential Debates ( CPD ) announced on Thursday that the debate scheduled for 15 October would be conducted virtually for `` the health and safety of all involved '' .
However , the CPD said in a statement on Friday : `` Subsequently , the campaigns of the two candidates who qualified for participation in the debate made a series @ @ @ @ @ @ @ their willingness to participate in a virtual debate on 15 October , and each now has announced alternate plans for that date .
`` It is now apparent there will be no debate on 15 October , and the CPD will turn its attention to preparations for the final presidential debate scheduled for 22 October . ''
The final debate will take place at Belmont University in Nashville , Tennessee , `` subject to health security considerations '' .
Mr Trump 's campaign team confirmed on Friday that the president will speak at @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Airport in Florida on Monday .
The president is also expected to address supporters from a balcony at the White House on Saturday in an event on `` law and order '' , an official said .
That 's despite the ongoing coronavirus outbreak there and two weeks after the Rose Garden event that is now considered a `` superspreader '' .
Mr Trump 's return to the campaign trail will be more conscious of the danger of spreading the illness than prior to his infection .
Supporters at the event in Florida @ @ @ @ @ @ @ be encouraged to wear and access to hand sanitiser , the campaign said , but officials did not reveal if it would be held in a hangar with its doors open , as it has in the past , or entirely outside .
Mystery surrounds whether Mr Trump is still contagious and White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany said medical tests will ensure that when the president is back out he will not be able to transmit the virus .
`` He wo n't be out there if he can transmit the virus , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ had earlier said the US president was keen to return to campaigning ahead of the presidential election , and that he would likely be tested for COVID-19 again .
With less than a month to go before the vote on 3 November , the US president is trailing in the polls behind his Democratic rival Joe Biden .
Mr Trump , who was diagnosed with coronavirus on 1 October and spent three days in hospital , told Fox News he was likely to be tested for the virus later on Friday .
`` @ @ @ @ @ @ @ people , and he wants to be out there , '' Ms McEnany told Fox News .
`` Logistically , whether tomorrow 's possible , it would be tough .
It 'd be a decision up to the campaign . ''
Mr Trump 's personal physician said the president would be able to safely return to public engagements this weekend .
In a memo , his doctor , Sean Conley , said : `` Saturday will be day 10 since Thursday 's diagnosis , and based on the trajectory of advanced diagnostics the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ president 's safe return to public engagement at that time . ''
But aides admitted he was unlikely to hold any in-person events until at least Monday .
It came as the Democrats called into question his fitness for office .
Senior Democrat Nancy Pelosi has unveiled plans for new legislation that would set up a board of experts who could judge if a president is unfit for office .
Mrs Pelosi , who as Speaker of the House of Representatives is second in the line of succession to the presidency after Vice @ @ @ @ @ @ @ amid questions over Mr Trump 's ability to lead following his COVID-19 diagnosis and treatment .
The bipartisan panel would need the agreement of a vice president and Congress in order to remove a US commander-in-chief from power .
The move by Mrs Pelosi and Democrats in the House was said to be an enactment of the 25th Amendment to the US Constitution , which affirms the line of succession and was passed in 1967 .
Ms Pelosi said the move `` was not about President Trump '' , and that `` he @ @ @ @ @ @ @ voters in November 's election .
She said : `` This legislation applies to future presidents , but we are reminded of the necessity of action by the health of the current president . ''
She earlier noted Mr Trump 's `` strange tweet '' halting talks on a new coronavirus aid package - he subsequently tried to reverse course - and said Americans needed to know when , exactly , he first contracted COVID-19 as others in the White House became infected .
Mr Trump later tweeted : `` Crazy Nancy Pelosi @ @ @ @ @ @ @ order to replace Joe Biden with Kamala Harris .
The Dems want that to happen fast because Sleepy Joe is out of it !
!
! ''
The 25th Amendment states that , if agreed with the vice president , the US leader can be removed from power with backing from the US cabinet .
It also states that Congress can instruct a body , like the panel Mrs Pelosi envisages , to make this decision with the VP .
The panel that would judge the fitness of the president is planned to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ by Republicans and four nominated by Democrats - and eight senior statespeople like former presidents , attorney generals and surgeon generals .
: : Subscribe to Divided States on Apple podcasts , Google Podcasts , Spotify , and Spreaker The 16 selected would choose a 17th person as a chair .
The president would be able to challenge an attempt to remove them from office , but this challenge could be quashed if the House and the Senate had a majority of two-thirds to do so .
Mrs Pelosi went on to cast @ @ @ @ @ @ @ vaccine or COVID-19 treatment that was cleared in the UK .
She said : `` I think we have to be very careful about what happens in the UK .
`` We have very stringent rules in terms of the Food and Drug Administration here about the number of clinical trials , the timing , the number of people , and all the rest .
`` So that when a drug is approved by the FDA and the Scientific Advisory Committee that it is safe and efficacious , then it will have the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it . ''
Ms Pelosi added : `` My concern is that the UK system for that kind of judgement is not on a par with ours in the United States .
`` So if Boris Johnson decides he 's going to approve a drug .
And this president embraces that - that 's a concern that I have about any similarity between the two . ''
Mr Trump has said he is working to get the coronavirus antibody drugs used to treat his infection approved quickly and out to hospitals .
He @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Limbaugh he might not have recovered without Regeneron .

Donald Trump will speak to supporters at the White House on Saturday and will hold a rally in Florida on Monday - but his second debate with presidential rival Joe Biden will not go ahead.
The US president, who spent three nights in hospital with coronavirus, now says he is "medication-free... which frankly, makes me feel good".
He added: "I have been retested and I haven't even found out numbers or anything yet, but I've been retested and I know I'm at either the bottom of the scale or free."
Some 2,000 people have been invited to the event on the White House lawn later today, Sky News' James Matthews has reported.
The president is to speak from a balcony about law and order and the event is expected to go ahead in spite of the ongoing coronavirus outbreak there, and two weeks after the Rose Garden event that is now considered a "superspreader".
Image: Donald Trump has insisted he is ready to get back on the campaign trail
The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) announced on Thursday that the debate scheduled for 15 October would be conducted virtually for "the health and safety of all involved".
However, the CPD said in a statement on Friday: "Subsequently, the campaigns of the two candidates who qualified for participation in the debate made a series of statements concerning their respective positions regarding their willingness to participate in a virtual debate on 15 October, and each now has announced alternate plans for that date.
"It is now apparent there will be no debate on 15 October, and the CPD will turn its attention to preparations for the final presidential debate scheduled for 22 October."
The final debate will take place at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee, "subject to health security considerations".
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Mr Trump's campaign team has confirmed that the president will speak at an event at the Orlando Sanford International Airport in Florida on Monday.
Supporters at the event in Florida will be given masks that they will be encouraged to wear and access to hand sanitiser, the campaign said, but officials did not reveal if it would be held in a hangar with its doors open, as it has in the past, or entirely outside.
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Mystery surrounds whether Mr Trump is still contagious and White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany said medical tests will ensure that when the president is back out he will not be able to transmit the virus.
"He won't be out there if he can transmit the virus," she said.
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The White House had earlier said the US president was keen to return to campaigning ahead of the presidential election, and that he would likely be tested for COVID-19 again.
With less than a month to go before the vote on 3 November, the US president is trailing in the polls behind his Democratic rival Joe Biden.
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Mr Trump, who was diagnosed with coronavirus on 1 October and spent three days in hospital, told Fox News he was likely to be tested for the virus later on Friday.
"He wants to talk to the American people, and he wants to be out there," Ms McEnany told Fox News.
"Logistically, whether tomorrow's possible, it would be tough. It'd be a decision up to the campaign."
Mr Trump's personal physician said the president would be able to safely return to public engagements this weekend.
In a memo, his doctor, Sean Conley, said: "Saturday will be day 10 since Thursday's diagnosis, and based on the trajectory of advanced diagnostics the team has done, I expect the president's safe return to public engagement at that time."
But aides admitted he was unlikely to hold any in-person events until at least Monday.