themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-10--Horrific claims against priest emerge as report criticises Catholic church

Disturbing allegations of rape against a Greater Manchester priest have emerged as a new report says the Catholic church prioritised its own reputation over the welfare of vulnerable children .
Father Aidan O'Reilly , formerly of St Hugh of Lincoln RC Church in Stretford , was reported to police by a man who told detectives he was taken out of lessons in primary school and raped .
The allegations did not result in any criminal action , because Fr O'Reilly died in 2011 , six years before they were made .
But a senior detective was convinced the evidence was @ @ @ @ @ @ @ The Manchester Evening News has seen a letter in which the victim was told it was 'very likely ' Fr O ’ Reilly would have been charged with multiple counts of rape had he been alive .
Meanwhile the Diocese of Salford has confirmed it has provided 'therapeutic support ' to the complainant , who has spoken of his experiences to the Truth Project , part of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse ( IICSA ) .
His testimony to the Truth Project will be used to recommend changes to protect children @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Paige , the man has chosen to speak out as a new report by the IICSA is published - a report which found that the Catholic Church ignored allegations and protected perpetrators .
Frankie told the Manchester Evening News he was abused at St Hugh of Lincoln Church during the 1990s .
He reported that when he was at St Hugh of Lincoln RC Primary School the priest would enter the classroom and say he needed a child to help him in church , before taking him to the sacristy and subjecting him @ @ @ @ @ @ @ would be taken there and it would happen , ” Frankie said .
“ I was ten years old .
I didn ’ t tell anyone . ''
The IICSA 's report said today that the Catholic church ’ s moral purpose had been betrayed by those who sexually abused children , as well as those who turned a blind eye and failed to take action against abusers .
More than 900 complaints involving over 3,000 instances of child sexual abuse in England and Wales were made to the church between 1970 and @ @ @ @ @ @ @ scale of abuse over the last 50 years is likely to have been far higher .
Frankie told the M.E.N .
that Fr O'Reilly scared him into keeping quiet about his ordeal .
“ He would say it was a sin to talk about it and you would go to hell and die if you told anyone , '' he said .
“ At that time I thought he was the image of God on earth so that was God telling me that .
“ I think I was in shock and just @ @ @ @ @ @ @ someone had hit pause .
Then I would be going back to class to prepare for the 11+ exam .
“ He was the adult and there was this big sense of authority with a priest .
“ He entered the school without going through reception .
He would go in and just take children to church .
The teachers allowed it to happen .
Nobody ever asked about it .
“ I think the teachers should have noticed something.
” It was n't until 2017 that Frankie was able to talk to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ I was too traumatised , ” he said .
Greater Manchester Police launched an investigation , following which Detective Inspector Dave Jones wrote a letter to Frankie in which he stated : “ The abuse you were subjected to as a child is abhorrent ” .
After reviewing the evidence , DI Jones concluded Frankie had suffered 'repeated and violent sexual abuse ' whilst at school at the hands of Father Aidan O ’ Reilly .
He wrote : “ I am quite confident that had Aidan O ’ Reilly been alive today @ @ @ @ @ @ @ him for several offences and it is very likely this would have resulted in multiple charges of rape against him.
” “ Ten years earlier a psychologist had told me that to open that Pandora ’ s box would make me unwell and I would need a lot of support .
He was right , '' Frankie said .
“ For two years following my disclosure I was really bad .
It made me unwell .
“ People say ‘ why didn ’ t you report it before ?
’ You are asking @ @ @ @ @ @ @ something they have locked away.
” Frankie , who is now an atheist , says his mental health , education and relationships have all suffered as a result of the abuse .
“ Members of my family are still religious and I feel there is a growing wedge there , ” he said .
“ I find it difficult to be in church , to see a priest , I find it overwhelming .
`` Only a few people know the whole story.
” A GMP spokesperson said officers received a report of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ deceased suspect ' in 2017 .
“ An investigation was opened but has since been closed as the suspect is deceased , ” they said .
According to an obituary , Irish-born O ’ Reilly was ordained in 1959 and served the diocese as an assistant priest , parish priest and pastor emeritus at churches in Oldham , Stockport , Manchester , Trafford , Rochdale , Salford and Lancashire - moving 12 times during his career .
He retired from active ministry in 2000 and died at Nazareth House in Prestwich in early @ @ @ @ @ @ @ that concerns were raised about O ’ Reilly by teachers at his school during the 1990s - a claim the Diocese strongly denies .
But Frankie said : “ At some point the church must have been aware of complaints .
“ They may have thought that protecting the church was more important than protecting the children and God ’ s law is above the actual law.
” He added : “ The Diocese has asked me twice if I want to rejoin the church .
I told them I believe it ’ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ vulnerable people.
” Frankie also claims that O ’ Reilly was sent on a trip to Lourdes , in France , in the 1990s .
The Sanctuary of Our Lady of Lourdes is visited by millions of Roman Catholics each year , often for its healing waters .
Frankie understands that O ’ Reilly was sent on the pilgrimage as a 'sick pilgrim ' .
He says during his own investigations into O ’ Reilly , he was told that allegations of inappropriate behaviour were made against the priest by two children who @ @ @ @ @ @ @ understand these allegations were not reported to Greater Manchester Police , and the Diocese of Salford says it has not had any other complaints about Fr O'Reilly .
They said : “ Until the 2017 allegation there had been no allegations nor reports of sexual abuse or sexual assault made to the diocese from any source - parent , child or teacher .
“ Fr O ’ Reilly attended the pilgrimage and his status as a ‘ sick pilgrim ’ related to a medical condition.
” The Diocese says there is no place @ @ @ @ @ @ @ regarding children , young people and vulnerable adults will be investigated and reported .
“ The Diocese of Salford has clear safeguarding practices and procedures and any concern , historic or recent , raised to the Diocese regarding children , young people and vulnerable adults will always be treated with the utmost care and concern , '' a spokesperson said .
“ In line with national procedures , all allegations , whether relating to recent or non-recent abuse , are reported to the relevant statutory authorities .
“ In response to this case @ @ @ @ @ @ @ we have provided pastoral and therapeutic support to the individual via our independent survivor ’ s project ‘ Healing through Community ’ , on a completely confidential basis , '' the statement added .
“ We will continue to cooperate with all the relevant agencies involved since the allegations were reported in 2017 .
“ As a Church our role is to support the most vulnerable among us .
There is no place for abuse in our society and the Church is no different , our involvement in the Healing Through Community project @ @ @ @ @ @ @ meet its responsibility of support and compassion to all its parishioners , wherever they are and where their abuse happened .
“ The support on offer via our Healing Through Community project can be accessed by anyone living within the Diocese of Salford .
If you would like to access help please call Survivors Manchester on 0161 236 2182 or Greater Manchester Rape Crisis on 0161 273 450.
” Frankie has also reported teachers who had been in charge of him at his former school to police , alleging neglect , saying they @ @ @ @ @ @ @ him out of lessons without permission from his parents , under the guise of church duties , during which time he was abused .
“ The school should have adequately trained their staff to spot abuse .
Those teachers failed children in multiple ways - and failed parents by not asking permission , '' he said .
While Frankie believes he was n't adequately protected , he does believe teachers at the school raised concerns about O ’ Reilly ’ s behaviour around children in the mid 1990s to a Bishop , shortly @ @ @ @ @ @ @ letter to Frankie from DI Dave Jones lends support to this , with DI Jones saying he is aware that concerns were raised in respect of Fr O ’ Reilly in the mid 1990s with regards to 'concerning behaviour around children . '
The officer added : “ These concerns were raised by teachers at the school and as a result AOR ( Aidan O'Reilly ) was moved to a different church away from children .
This suggests that at the point the teachers did have concerns they raised them.
” “ I @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Police and I am confident that should abuse such as this occur in 2020 this would be reported , '' he wrote .
However , the Diocese of Salford say the priest moved from Stretford - to Bury - simply 'because he retired from ministry ' .
Meanwhile , police have confirmed that they opened an investigation into the conduct of teachers following Frankie 's complaint .
“ In 2020 , GMP received a report of non-recent neglect relating to a school in the Trafford area , '' a spokesperson for the force @ @ @ @ @ @ @ but has since been closed as the evidence did not meet the CPS ' Threshold Test . ''
Meanwhile , a spokesperson for Trafford Council said : `` School Governing Bodies have responsibility for ensuring all children are safe in their schools at all times .
“ The DfE ( Department for Education ) has issued specific statutory guidance for schools , ‘ Keeping Children Safe in Education ’ , which sets out the responsibilities placed on schools and colleges to safeguard and promote the welfare of children which was updated on the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ continues to provide advice , support and guidance to schools on all areas of safeguarding and Ofsted , the regulatory body , also review the safeguarding of pupils as part of their inspection of schools .
“ In respect of security at St Hugh of Lincoln RC Primary School this is taken seriously and all appropriate measures are put in place to ensure children are kept safe at all times.
” In his letter to Frankie , DI Dave Jones wrote that it 'was n't disputed ' that he had been allowed by @ @ @ @ @ @ @ when he was at primary school in the nineties , but that there was enough evidence to support neglect charges against teachers .
“ Having considered all of the available material , I do not believe there is sufficient evidence to suggest that any of the teachers were aware that you were being abused , ” he said .
He added : “ It is not disputed they allowed you to go off with AOR .
I appreciate that you quite rightly point out that no permission slips were given by your parents @ @ @ @ @ @ @ allowed .
“ All of those points have left you exposed to risk and I do not dispute that.
” The new IICSA report has found that the Catholic Church repeatedly failed to support victims and survivors , while taking positive action to protect alleged perpetrators , including moving them to different parishes .
Professor Alexis Jay OBE , Chair of the Inquiry , said : “ For decades , the Catholic Church ’ s failure to tackle child sexual abuse consigned many more children to the same fate .
“ It is @ @ @ @ @ @ @ was valued above the welfare of victims , with allegations ignored and perpetrators protected .
“ Even today , the responses of the Holy See appear at odds with the Pope ’ s promise to take action on this hugely important problem .
“ While some progress has been made , there still needs to be lasting change to culture and attitudes to avoid repeating the failures of the past.
” A number of witnesses spoke during the Inquiry of the need for improvements to training , including Dawn Lundergan , director of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ She said : “ The development of a nationally approved accredited training programme for those at all levels who are involved with safeguarding would be worthy of serious consideration to aim at consistent and robust training for all at whatever the appropriate levels their roles may entail .
”

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Disturbing allegations of rape against a Greater Manchester priest have emerged as a new report says the Catholic church prioritised its own reputation over the welfare of vulnerable children.
Father Aidan O'Reilly, formerly of St Hugh of Lincoln RC Church in Stretford, was reported to police by a man who told detectives he was taken out of lessons in primary school and raped.
The allegations did not result in any criminal action, because Fr O'Reilly died in 2011, six years before they were made.
But a senior detective was convinced the evidence was strong enough to result in prosecution. The Manchester Evening News has seen a letter in which the victim was told it was 'very likely' Fr O’Reilly would have been charged with multiple counts of rape had he been alive.
(Image: ABNM Photography)
Meanwhile the Diocese of Salford has confirmed it has provided 'therapeutic support' to the complainant, who has spoken of his experiences to the Truth Project, part of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA). His testimony to the Truth Project will be used to recommend changes to protect children from abuse.
Using the pseudonym Frankie Paige, the man has chosen to speak out as a new report by the IICSA is published - a report which found that the Catholic Church ignored allegations and protected perpetrators.
Frankie told the Manchester Evening News he was abused at St Hugh of Lincoln Church during the 1990s.
He reported that when he was at St Hugh of Lincoln RC Primary School the priest would enter the classroom and say he needed a child to help him in church, before taking him to the sacristy and subjecting him to violent sexual assaults.
“You would be taken there and it would happen,” Frankie said.
“I was ten years old. I didn’t tell anyone."
The IICSA's report said today that the Catholic church’s moral purpose had been betrayed by those who sexually abused children, as well as those who turned a blind eye and failed to take action against abusers.
More than 900 complaints involving over 3,000 instances of child sexual abuse in England and Wales were made to the church between 1970 and 2015.
(Image: Western Mail)
But investigators say the true scale of abuse over the last 50 years is likely to have been far higher.
Frankie told the M.E.N. that Fr O'Reilly scared him into keeping quiet about his ordeal.
“He would say it was a sin to talk about it and you would go to hell and die if you told anyone," he said.
“At that time I thought he was the image of God on earth so that was God telling me that.
(Image: ABNM Photography)
“I think I was in shock and just terrified. I would be frozen like someone had hit pause. Then I would be going back to class to prepare for the 11+ exam.
“He was the adult and there was this big sense of authority with a priest.
“He entered the school without going through reception. He would go in and just take children to church. The teachers allowed it to happen. Nobody ever asked about it.
“I think the teachers should have noticed something.”
The Truth Project The Truth Project is part of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse. The Inquiry was set up to address serious concerns that some organisations have failed to protect children from sexual abuse. The Truth Project offers victims and survivors of child sexual abuse the chance to share their experiences and be heard with respect. More than 5,000 people have already come forward to the Truth Project. Their comments, experiences and suggestions will be used to help Inquiry bosses recommend changes to protect children from abuse, now and in the future. You can share your experience in writing, by phone, by video call or in person. People are encouraged to apply before the Truth Project concludes in 2021. All the details are here.
It wasn't until 2017 that Frankie was able to talk to police.
“I think until then I was too traumatised,” he said.
Greater Manchester Police launched an investigation, following which Detective Inspector Dave Jones wrote a letter to Frankie in which he stated: “The abuse you were subjected to as a child is abhorrent”.
After reviewing the evidence, DI Jones concluded Frankie had suffered 'repeated and violent sexual abuse' whilst at school at the hands of Father Aidan O’Reilly.
He wrote: “I am quite confident that had Aidan O’Reilly been alive today there would be a strong case against him for several offences and it is very likely this would have resulted in multiple charges of rape against him.”
(Image: ABNM Photography)
“Ten years earlier a psychologist had told me that to open that Pandora’s box would make me unwell and I would need a lot of support. He was right," Frankie said.
“For two years following my disclosure I was really bad. It made me unwell.
“People say ‘why didn’t you report it before?’ You are asking a ten-year-old traumatised child to talk about something they have locked away.”
Frankie, who is now an atheist, says his mental health, education and relationships have all suffered as a result of the abuse.
“Members of my family are still religious and I feel there is a growing wedge there,” he said.
“I find it difficult to be in church, to see a priest, I find it overwhelming.
"Only a few people know the whole story.”
A GMP spokesperson said officers received a report of 'non-recent child sexual offences relating to a deceased suspect' in 2017.
“An investigation was opened but has since been closed as the suspect is deceased,” they said.
According to an obituary, Irish-born O’Reilly was ordained in 1959 and served the diocese as an assistant priest, parish priest and pastor emeritus at churches in Oldham, Stockport, Manchester, Trafford, Rochdale, Salford and Lancashire - moving 12 times during his career.
He retired from active ministry in 2000 and died at Nazareth House in Prestwich in early 2011, aged 78.
Frankie claims that concerns were raised about O’Reilly by teachers at his school during the 1990s - a claim the Diocese strongly denies.
But Frankie said: “At some point the church must have been aware of complaints.
“They may have thought that protecting the church was more important than protecting the children and God’s law is above the actual law.”
Where to go if you've been affected by rape or sexual abuse Anyone who wishes to seek support but does not want to talk to police can contact St Mary’s Sexual Assault Referral Centre on 0161 276 6515 or visiting by visiting the website. St Mary's provides forensic, counselling and aftercare services for people affected by rape and sexual assault. The National Male Survivors Helpline, Safeline, can be contacted on 0808 800 5005 or through the website here. Survivors Manchester supports boys and men who have been affected by rape and sexual assault. The charity provides therapeutic support and Independent Sexual Violence Advisors (ISVA). They offer assistance throughout the criminal justice system, from initial reports to court and beyond. ISVAs work independently of the police, Crown Prosecution Service and court system. Boys and Men in Greater Manchester affected by sexual abuse, regardless of when it happened, can access Survivors Manchester by calling 0161 236 2182 or emailing: support@survivorsmanchester.org.uk A weekly drop in session takes place each Wednesday from 2pm until 5pm. You can donate to Survivors Manchester here. Greater Manchester Rape Crisis works with women and girls affected by rape and sexual assault. They can be contacted on 0161 273 4591. Victims of sexual crimes are entitled to lifelong anonimity.
He added: “The Diocese has asked me twice if I want to rejoin the church. I told them I believe it’s an unsafe place for children and vulnerable people.”
Frankie also claims that O’Reilly was sent on a trip to Lourdes, in France, in the 1990s.
The Sanctuary of Our Lady of Lourdes is visited by millions of Roman Catholics each year, often for its healing waters.
Frankie understands that O’Reilly was sent on the pilgrimage as a 'sick pilgrim'.
He says during his own investigations into O’Reilly, he was told that allegations of inappropriate behaviour were made against the priest by two children who were also visiting Lourdes.
The M.E.N understand these allegations were not reported to Greater Manchester Police, and the Diocese of Salford says it has not had any other complaints about Fr O'Reilly.
(Image: ABNM Photography)
They said: “Until the 2017 allegation there had been no allegations nor reports of sexual abuse or sexual assault made to the diocese from any source - parent, child or teacher.
“Fr O’Reilly attended the pilgrimage and his status as a ‘sick pilgrim’ related to a medical condition.”
The Diocese says there is no place for abuse in the Church any concerns regarding children, young people and vulnerable adults will be investigated and reported.
“The Diocese of Salford has clear safeguarding practices and procedures and any concern, historic or recent, raised to the Diocese regarding children, young people and vulnerable adults will always be treated with the utmost care and concern," a spokesperson said.
“In line with national procedures, all allegations, whether relating to recent or non-recent abuse, are reported to the relevant statutory authorities.
“In response to this case and in line with diocesan safeguarding practices we have provided pastoral and therapeutic support to the individual via our independent survivor’s project ‘Healing through Community’, on a completely confidential basis," the statement added.
“We will continue to cooperate with all the relevant agencies involved since the allegations were reported in 2017.
“As a Church our role is to support the most vulnerable among us. There is no place for abuse in our society and the Church is no different, our involvement in the Healing Through Community project creates further opportunities for the Diocese to meet its responsibility of support and compassion to all its parishioners, wherever they are and where their abuse happened.
“The support on offer via our Healing Through Community project can be accessed by anyone living within the Diocese of Salford. If you would like to access help please call Survivors Manchester on 0161 236 2182 or Greater Manchester Rape Crisis on 0161 273 450.”
(Image: ABNM Photography)
Frankie has also reported teachers who had been in charge of him at his former school to police, alleging neglect, saying they allowed Fr O’Reilly to take him out of lessons without permission from his parents, under the guise of church duties, during which time he was abused.
“The school should have adequately trained their staff to spot abuse. Those teachers failed children in multiple ways - and failed parents by not asking permission," he said.
While Frankie believes he wasn't adequately protected, he does believe teachers at the school raised concerns about O’Reilly’s behaviour around children in the mid 1990s to a Bishop, shortly before Fr O'Reilly left Stretford.
The letter to Frankie from DI Dave Jones lends support to this, with DI Jones saying he is aware that concerns were raised in respect of Fr O’Reilly in the mid 1990s with regards to 'concerning behaviour around children.'
The officer added: “These concerns were raised by teachers at the school and as a result AOR (Aidan O'Reilly) was moved to a different church away from children. This suggests that at the point the teachers did have concerns they raised them.”
“I agree this should have been reported to Police and I am confident that should abuse such as this occur in 2020 this would be reported," he wrote.
However, the Diocese of Salford say the priest moved from Stretford - to Bury - simply 'because he retired from ministry'.
Meanwhile, police have confirmed that they opened an investigation into the conduct of teachers following Frankie's complaint.
“In 2020, GMP received a report of non-recent neglect relating to a school in the Trafford area," a spokesperson for the force said.
“An investigation was opened but has since been closed as the evidence did not meet the CPS' Threshold Test."
(Image: Copyright Unknown)
Meanwhile, a spokesperson for Trafford Council said: "School Governing Bodies have responsibility for ensuring all children are safe in their schools at all times.
“The DfE (Department for Education) has issued specific statutory guidance for schools, ‘Keeping Children Safe in Education’, which sets out the responsibilities placed on schools and colleges to safeguard and promote the welfare of children which was updated on the 1st September 2020.
“Trafford Council continues to provide advice, support and guidance to schools on all areas of safeguarding and Ofsted, the regulatory body, also review the safeguarding of pupils as part of their inspection of schools.
“In respect of security at St Hugh of Lincoln RC Primary School this is taken seriously and all appropriate measures are put in place to ensure children are kept safe at all times.”
In his letter to Frankie, DI Dave Jones wrote that it 'wasn't disputed' that he had been allowed by teachers to go off with the priest when he was at primary school in the nineties, but that there was enough evidence to support neglect charges against teachers.
“Having considered all of the available material, I do not believe there is sufficient evidence to suggest that any of the teachers were aware that you were being abused,” he said.
He added: “It is not disputed they allowed you to go off with AOR. I appreciate that you quite rightly point out that no permission slips were given by your parents and so this should not have been allowed.
“All of those points have left you exposed to risk and I do not dispute that.”
The new IICSA report has found that the Catholic Church repeatedly failed to support victims and survivors, while taking positive action to protect alleged perpetrators, including moving them to different parishes.
(Image: PA)
Professor Alexis Jay OBE, Chair of the Inquiry, said: “For decades, the Catholic Church’s failure to tackle child sexual abuse consigned many more children to the same fate.
“It is clear that the Church’s reputation was valued above the welfare of victims, with allegations ignored and perpetrators protected.
“Even today, the responses of the Holy See appear at odds with the Pope’s promise to take action on this hugely important problem.
“While some progress has been made, there still needs to be lasting change to culture and attitudes to avoid repeating the failures of the past.”
A number of witnesses spoke during the Inquiry of the need for improvements to training, including Dawn Lundergan, director of Safeguarding at the Diocese of Salford.
She said: “The development of a nationally approved accredited training programme for those at all levels who are involved with safeguarding would be worthy of serious consideration to aim at consistent and robust training for all at whatever the appropriate levels their roles may entail.”


themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-10--Jamie Carragher urges Manchester United to sell Paul Pogba

Jamie Carragher has insisted Manchester United should cash in on Paul Pogba and believes that he ca n't play in the same midfield as Bruno Fernandes .
The Frenchman has been out of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 's first-choice Premier League XI since last month 's 6-1 defeat to Tottenham Hotspur .
Instead , Scott McTominay and Fred have been the preferred pairing alongside Fernandes .
Pogba 's current contract expires in 2022 and he has previously claimed it would be his `` dream '' to play for Real Madrid .
As a result , Carragher believes United should sell the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ s possibly never done well in any position or tactical set up that different managers have had , ” Carragher told talkSPORT .
“ Would I pick him in the Manchester United ?
No , I wouldn ’ t .
He ’ s a huge name , he ’ s come for a huge transfer fee , but I don ’ t think he ’ s a great player .
“ People say he ’ s won the World Cup and I get that .
But when he came in I thought he @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Chelsea , Gerrard at Liverpool , Yaya Toure at Man City – those players drove their team to titles , European Cups .
“ When you ’ re that man who ’ s seen as the one to take United to the next level , which people might say it ’ s too much pressure to put on one man , but that ’ s what we were told was coming .
“ It just hasn ’ t happened for him at Manchester United .
For me , I ’ d be looking @ @ @ @ @ @ @ about the tactical dilemma with Pogba and Fernandes in the same team , Carragher explained : `` Manchester United have to play two holding midfield players because it ’ s been proven that when Pogba has played in one of those advanced positions , against Crystal Palace and Brighton , you got counter-attacked and it was so open .
“ Pogba can not play central midfield because it leaves you too exposed .
We highlighted that and analysed that on Monday Night Football .
United entered the international break by winning what was @ @ @ @ @ @ @ season at Everton on Saturday .
The under-pressure Reds came from behind to beat the Toffees thanks to Bruno Fernandes ' double and Edinson Cavani 's first goal for United .
United have a two-week break with many of their stars heading off on international duty - we 'll be keeping tabs on how they all perform , and on preparations for their next Premier League match against West Brom .
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“ In terms of playing Bruno Fernandes and Paul Pogba ahead of one sitting midfielder , like Man City did under Pep Guardiola with [ Kevin ] De Bruyne and [ David ] Silva in those positions , we almost imagine that they float around the pitch and did what they wanted .
“ Pep Guardiola doesn ’ t accept that .
He plays a positional game where each player has to be disciplined and stick to their @ @ @ @ @ @ @ disciplined .
“ They are probably two of the most undisciplined players in the Premier League .
You can maybe carry one but you can ’ t play the two of them .
It ’ s one or the other .
”

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Jamie Carragher has insisted Manchester United should cash in on Paul Pogba and believes that he can't play in the same midfield as Bruno Fernandes.
The Frenchman has been out of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's first-choice Premier League XI since last month's 6-1 defeat to Tottenham Hotspur.
Instead, Scott McTominay and Fred have been the preferred pairing alongside Fernandes.
Pogba's current contract expires in 2022 and he has previously claimed it would be his "dream" to play for Real Madrid.
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As a result, Carragher believes United should sell the World Cup winner.
“He’s possibly never done well in any position or tactical set up that different managers have had,” Carragher told talkSPORT.
“Would I pick him in the Manchester United? No, I wouldn’t. He’s a huge name, he’s come for a huge transfer fee, but I don’t think he’s a great player.
“People say he’s won the World Cup and I get that. But when he came in I thought he might have the impact like Lampard at Chelsea, Gerrard at Liverpool, Yaya Toure at Man City – those players drove their team to titles, European Cups.
“When you’re that man who’s seen as the one to take United to the next level, which people might say it’s too much pressure to put on one man, but that’s what we were told was coming.
“It just hasn’t happened for him at Manchester United. For me, I’d be looking to move him on."
Speaking about the tactical dilemma with Pogba and Fernandes in the same team, Carragher explained: "Manchester United have to play two holding midfield players because it’s been proven that when Pogba has played in one of those advanced positions, against Crystal Palace and Brighton, you got counter-attacked and it was so open.
“Pogba cannot play central midfield because it leaves you too exposed. We highlighted that and analysed that on Monday Night Football.
“In terms of playing Bruno Fernandes and Paul Pogba ahead of one sitting midfielder, like Man City did under Pep Guardiola with [Kevin] De Bruyne and [David] Silva in those positions, we almost imagine that they float around the pitch and did what they wanted.
“Pep Guardiola doesn’t accept that. He plays a positional game where each player has to be disciplined and stick to their position. Fernandes and Pogba are not disciplined.
“They are probably two of the most undisciplined players in the Premier League. You can maybe carry one but you can’t play the two of them. It’s one or the other.”


themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-10--Security boss denies 'complacency had set in' before Arena attack

Showsec 's head of security denied suggestions 'complacency had set in ' in the weeks before the Manchester Arena bombing .
Suspicious incidents had taken place at the arena in February of 2017 and then four days before Salman Abedi 's suicide bombing in May of that year , but no consideration was said to have been given to increasing the number of stewards on duty .
As the independent inquiry into the atrocity resumed on Tuesday , Showsec 's head of security at the arena that night , Tom Bailey , denied a suggestion 'complacency had set in ' @ @ @ @ @ @ @ surveillance ' ahead of a Pet Shop Boys concert at the venue on February 19 , 2017 .
Suspect males were captured on CCTV and located .
The incident was reported and staff were later briefed about the incident but nothing further was done .
On May 18 , four days before the bombing , a suspicious male wearing all black was seen on the footbridge to the arena with a large bag .
The inquiry has previously heard that this was not Salman Abedi .
However , no consideration was given to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ incident , the inquiry has heard .
Nicolas de la Poer QC , junior counsel to the inquiry , questioned Mr Bailey , who has worked with Showsec since 2005 when he joined as a steward , on day 33 of the tribunal .
Mr Bailey denied that one explanation for why the Pet Shop Boys incident was reported , briefed but nothing else was done was that by May 2017 'complacency had set in ' .
Asked what other explanation there was for Showsec not requesting more staff for the following night @ @ @ @ @ @ @ was n't head of security that night .
I do n't know whether those conversations did or did n't happen . ''
The witness said he did n't know whether he would have had those conversations as he 'did n't know the ins and outs of the incident ' .
`` It 's possible a conversation could have taken place between me and ( fellow head of security ) Tom Rigby but I would n't say it 's down to complacency , no , '' said Mr Bailey .
The inquiry has previously @ @ @ @ @ @ @ who , alerted to Abedi 's suspicious behaviour that night , said he could n't get through to the control room on his radio as the channel was 'jammed ' and that he did n't know what a red 'override ' button in the device was for .
Asked about the radios issued to stewards , Mr Bailey admitted he also did n't know how the emergency button worked .
Mr Bailey said problems with the radios would only happen if people were talking over each other and then only for 45 seconds @ @ @ @ @ @ @ problems , he said he would get onto the radio himself and tell people to observe 'radio etiquette ' .
He admitted he was only aware of the 'emergency button ' on radios being used once and then only by accident .
The inquiry heard the button sent an alarm to the radio 'base station ' rather than allowing people to speak to each other .
It was suggested to Mr Bailey it was a problem if he , the head of security , did n't know how to use the emergency button @ @ @ @ @ @ @ have had a more in-depth knowledge of how the emergency button worked ' .
Asked how staff could be expected to know how they worked if he did n't , Mr Bailey said he had watched staff being shown by others how to use the radios although he accepted he had not seen anyone being shown how to use the emergency button .
An arena risk assessment document produced by Showsec dated January 2017 rated the overall risk to staff as 'low ' even though the terror threat level at the time was @ @ @ @ @ @ @ suggestion that the document showed ' a degree of complacency ' although he accepted that it 'grossly under-estimated ' the actual risk to staff .
Other Showsec documents , he said , correctly referenced the then UK terror threat level and he went on that counter terrorism was a feature of all staff briefings before shows .
The inquiry has heard that stewards at the arena were checking customers ' bags without the required Security Industry Authority licence .
Mr Bailey admitted it was wrong but said he had 'inherited a process that @ @ @ @ @ @ @

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Showsec's head of security denied suggestions 'complacency had set in' in the weeks before the Manchester Arena bombing.
Suspicious incidents had taken place at the arena in February of 2017 and then four days before Salman Abedi's suicide bombing in May of that year, but no consideration was said to have been given to increasing the number of stewards on duty.
As the independent inquiry into the atrocity resumed on Tuesday, Showsec's head of security at the arena that night, Tom Bailey, denied a suggestion 'complacency had set in'.
He was questioned about suspected 'hostile surveillance' ahead of a Pet Shop Boys concert at the venue on February 19, 2017.
Suspect males were captured on CCTV and located. The incident was reported and staff were later briefed about the incident but nothing further was done.
(Image: MEN)
On May 18, four days before the bombing, a suspicious male wearing all black was seen on the footbridge to the arena with a large bag. The inquiry has previously heard that this was not Salman Abedi.
However, no consideration was given to increasing the number of stewards following either incident, the inquiry has heard.
Nicolas de la Poer QC, junior counsel to the inquiry, questioned Mr Bailey, who has worked with Showsec since 2005 when he joined as a steward, on day 33 of the tribunal.
Mr Bailey denied that one explanation for why the Pet Shop Boys incident was reported, briefed but nothing else was done was that by May 2017 'complacency had set in'.
Asked what other explanation there was for Showsec not requesting more staff for the following night, he said: "Obviously I wasn't head of security that night. I don't know whether those conversations did or didn't happen."
(Image: Arena Inquiry)
The witness said he didn't know whether he would have had those conversations as he 'didn't know the ins and outs of the incident'.
"It's possible a conversation could have taken place between me and (fellow head of security) Tom Rigby but I wouldn't say it's down to complacency, no," said Mr Bailey.
The inquiry has previously heard evidence from Showsec steward Kyle Lawler who, alerted to Abedi's suspicious behaviour that night, said he couldn't get through to the control room on his radio as the channel was 'jammed' and that he didn't know what a red 'override' button in the device was for.
Asked about the radios issued to stewards, Mr Bailey admitted he also didn't know how the emergency button worked.
Mr Bailey said problems with the radios would only happen if people were talking over each other and then only for 45 seconds to a minute.
(Image: PA)
If he encountered problems, he said he would get onto the radio himself and tell people to observe 'radio etiquette'.
He admitted he was only aware of the 'emergency button' on radios being used once and then only by accident.
The inquiry heard the button sent an alarm to the radio 'base station' rather than allowing people to speak to each other.
It was suggested to Mr Bailey it was a problem if he, the head of security, didn't know how to use the emergency button.
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The witness accepted he 'probably could have had a more in-depth knowledge of how the emergency button worked'.
Asked how staff could be expected to know how they worked if he didn't, Mr Bailey said he had watched staff being shown by others how to use the radios although he accepted he had not seen anyone being shown how to use the emergency button.
An arena risk assessment document produced by Showsec dated January 2017 rated the overall risk to staff as 'low' even though the terror threat level at the time was 'severe'.
Mr Bailey denied a suggestion that the document showed 'a degree of complacency' although he accepted that it 'grossly under-estimated' the actual risk to staff.
Other Showsec documents, he said, correctly referenced the then UK terror threat level and he went on that counter terrorism was a feature of all staff briefings before shows.
The inquiry has heard that stewards at the arena were checking customers' bags without the required Security Industry Authority licence.
Mr Bailey admitted it was wrong but said he had 'inherited a process that I never thought to question'.
The inquiry continues.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-10--Ambulance service says 'Mondays are always busy' after Twitter warning

The ambulance service has warned against comparing Monday night 's delays warning to the previous week 's major incident - when paramedics were overwhelmed by an 'unprecedented ' surge in calls .
Last Monday , the North West Ambulance Service was thrown into crisis mode as 999 calls surged by 36 per cent amid reports of up to 12 ambulances queuing outside A & E departments and paramedics waiting in corridors with patients .
But bosses , who are investigating the major incident , have guarded against comparing it to last night 's Twitter warning , in which the service @ @ @ @ @ @ @ We are exceptionally busy this evening .
`` Unfortunately there will be delays and we urge you not to call back to ask how long we will be . ''
NWAS have said that last night 's issues were 'much different ' to the previous week 's crisis , insisting it 's standard procedure when they reach a threshold in calls to release a statement - and that demand soon dropped back down .
NWAS Unison branch secretary Jeff Gorman agreed Mondays were 'always busy ' - and that the colder weather always @ @ @ @ @ @ @ some of the problems of last week 's crisis did remain - covid-induced self-isolation is still affecting staffing levels and hospitals are still very busy , impacting the time it takes for paramedics to hand patients over to ward staff .
He added : Nothing in particular happened last night .
We still have staff off isolating and this naturally has an impact but NWAS are bringing additional resources in from as many places as possible .
`` Hospital emergency departments are busy so that impacts upon our ability to turn around resulting @ @ @ @ @ @ @ A & E . ''
An NWAS spokesman said Mondays are 'traditionally ' busy , adding : `` When we reach a threshold of demand in calls its part of our procedures that we release a statement , calling for the public to think about when they ring us .
`` Fortunately following the release of that message demand dropped and we were soon able to publish further advice saying the risk of delays had lessened .
`` This was a much different situation to last Monday ( November 2 ) where we @ @ @ @ @ @ @ unprecedented surge in calls .
`` We would again like to thank the public who were able to help us by seeking alternative help where they could . ''
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The ambulance service has warned against comparing Monday night's delays warning to the previous week's major incident - when paramedics were overwhelmed by an 'unprecedented' surge in calls.
Last Monday, the North West Ambulance Service was thrown into crisis mode as 999 calls surged by 36 per cent amid reports of up to 12 ambulances queuing outside A&E departments and paramedics waiting in corridors with patients.
But bosses, who are investigating the major incident, have guarded against comparing it to last night's Twitter warning, in which the service put out a post warning: "We are exceptionally busy this evening.
"Unfortunately there will be delays and we urge you not to call back to ask how long we will be."
NWAS have said that last night's issues were 'much different' to the previous week's crisis, insisting it's standard procedure when they reach a threshold in calls to release a statement - and that demand soon dropped back down.
NWAS Unison branch secretary Jeff Gorman agreed Mondays were 'always busy' - and that the colder weather always brought added pressures.
But he said some of the problems of last week's crisis did remain - covid-induced self-isolation is still affecting staffing levels and hospitals are still very busy, impacting the time it takes for paramedics to hand patients over to ward staff.
He added: Nothing in particular happened last night. We still have staff off isolating and this naturally has an impact but NWAS are bringing additional resources in from as many places as possible.
"Hospital emergency departments are busy so that impacts upon our ability to turn around resulting in the potential of queueing ambulances at A&E."
An NWAS spokesman said Mondays are 'traditionally' busy, adding: "When we reach a threshold of demand in calls its part of our procedures that we release a statement, calling for the public to think about when they ring us.
"Fortunately following the release of that message demand dropped and we were soon able to publish further advice saying the risk of delays had lessened.
"This was a much different situation to last Monday (November 2) where we declared a major incident after experiencing an unprecedented surge in calls.
"We would again like to thank the public who were able to help us by seeking alternative help where they could."
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themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-10--LIVE EuroMillions draw, results and winning numbers on Tuesday November 10

It 's Tuesday night which means it 's time for another massive Euromillions draw - and tonight 's jackpot is a big one .
There 's a decent prize to be won in this evening 's draw with a whopping £44 million up for grabs - a life changing sum if you can get your hands on it .
To play , pick up your lottery ticket before 7.30pm and choose five main numbers and two lucky stars .
Match them all and you 'll claim the top prize .
And even if you do n't secure the jackpot , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of cash by matching fewer numbers .
Five plus a lucky star will come with a prize fund of £130,554.30 .
While anyone who matches five numbers will bag over £13,000 in winnings .
There 's also £500,000 up for grabs in the Thunderball draw .
With every ticket you 'll also be entered into the Millionaire Maker draw which will turn one lucky ticket holder into a millionaire if their raffle code is picked .
If you were to win , do you know how you would spend the cash ?
It @ @ @ @ @ @ @ a ludicrously flashy sports car or even fund that around-the-world trip once the pandemic is over .
But you 've got to be in it to win it .
Tonight we 'll be revealing the results for the Euromillions , the Thunderball draw , and the Millionaire Maker code .
Fingers crossed and best of luck tonight !

It's Tuesday night which means it's time for another massive Euromillions draw - and tonight's jackpot is a big one.
There's a decent prize to be won in this evening's draw with a whopping £44 million up for grabs - a life changing sum if you can get your hands on it.
To play, pick up your lottery ticket before 7.30pm and choose five main numbers and two lucky stars. Match them all and you'll claim the top prize.
And even if you don't secure the jackpot, you could still take home large amounts of cash by matching fewer numbers.
Five plus a lucky star will come with a prize fund of £130,554.30. While anyone who matches five numbers will bag over £13,000 in winnings.
There's also £500,000 up for grabs in the Thunderball draw.
With every ticket you'll also be entered into the Millionaire Maker draw which will turn one lucky ticket holder into a millionaire if their raffle code is picked.
If you were to win, do you know how you would spend the cash? It could pay for your dream home, a ludicrously flashy sports car or even fund that around-the-world trip once the pandemic is over.
But you've got to be in it to win it.
Tonight we'll be revealing the results for the Euromillions, the Thunderball draw, and the Millionaire Maker code.
Fingers crossed and best of luck tonight!


themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-10--Johnson and Biden discuss 'shared priorities' over first phone call

Boris Johnson has had his first phone call with Joe Biden after his win in the US presidential election .
The Prime Minister congratulated the Democrat in his victory over Donald Trump .
Mr Johnson said he spoke to Mr Biden on `` shared priorities '' amid concerns the pair may not have a smooth relationship due to issues surrounding Brexit .
The Prime Minister is understood to have spoken to the former vice-president for around 25 minutes on Tuesday afternoon .
“ I just spoke to @ JoeBiden to congratulate him on his election , ” the Prime Minister @ @ @ @ @ @ @ strengthening the partnership between our countries and to working with him on our shared priorities – from tackling climate change , to promoting democracy and building back better from the pandemic.
” A Downing Street spokesman said : “ In a call this afternoon the Prime Minister warmly congratulated Joe Biden on his election as President of the United States .
“ The Prime Minister also conveyed his congratulations to vice president-elect Kamala Harris on her historic achievement .
“ They discussed the close and longstanding relationship between our countries and committed to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ahead , in areas such as trade and security – including through Nato .
“ The Prime Minister and president-elect also looked forward to working closely together on their shared priorities , from tackling climate change , to promoting democracy , and building back better from the coronavirus pandemic .
“ The Prime Minister invited the president-elect to attend the Cop26 climate change summit that the UK is hosting in Glasgow next year .
They also looked forward to seeing each other in person , including when the UK hosts the G7 summit @ @ @ @ @ @ @ in America claim the declaration that Mr Biden had won by the media was 'premature , ' as President Trump is contesting the results in states where the race was close .

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Boris Johnson has had his first phone call with Joe Biden after his win in the US presidential election.
The Prime Minister congratulated the Democrat in his victory over Donald Trump.
Mr Johnson said he spoke to Mr Biden on "shared priorities" amid concerns the pair may not have a smooth relationship due to issues surrounding Brexit.
The Prime Minister is understood to have spoken to the former vice-president for around 25 minutes on Tuesday afternoon.
“I just spoke to @JoeBiden to congratulate him on his election,” the Prime Minister tweeted.
“I look forward to strengthening the partnership between our countries and to working with him on our shared priorities – from tackling climate change, to promoting democracy and building back better from the pandemic.”
A Downing Street spokesman said: “In a call this afternoon the Prime Minister warmly congratulated Joe Biden on his election as President of the United States.
“The Prime Minister also conveyed his congratulations to vice president-elect Kamala Harris on her historic achievement.
“They discussed the close and longstanding relationship between our countries and committed to building on this partnership in the years ahead, in areas such as trade and security – including through Nato.
“The Prime Minister and president-elect also looked forward to working closely together on their shared priorities, from tackling climate change, to promoting democracy, and building back better from the coronavirus pandemic.
“The Prime Minister invited the president-elect to attend the Cop26 climate change summit that the UK is hosting in Glasgow next year. They also looked forward to seeing each other in person, including when the UK hosts the G7 summit in 2021.”
It comes as voters in America claim the declaration that Mr Biden had won by the media was 'premature,' as President Trump is contesting the results in states where the race was close.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-11--Silver disc of James' ‘Sit Down’ to be sold to help fund treatment for student

A silver disc of the legendary James anthem ‘ Sit Down ’ is being auctioned off to raise money for a teenager with an aggressive form of brain cancer .
Trumpeter Andy Diagram has promised to part ways with his beloved silver disc - which he has proudly displayed for 30 years - in the hope of helping his friend Joel Danziger .
Nineteen-year-old Joel , from Didsbury , has glioblastoma - the most aggressive form of brain cancer .
Survival after five years for glioblastoma patients is very rare .
But experts say a personalised treatment , known as @ @ @ @ @ @ @ prolong and improve Joel ’ s life .
It would cost £400,000 for the vaccine to be manufactured by a biotech company in Cambridge and for Joel to receive the treatment from a leading brain tumour consultant at King 's College Hospital , London .
As such , friends and family have been working hard on various fundraising events to try and help Joel find the money .
Andy - who sings , plays trumpet , percussion and keyboards in James - hopes raffling off his prized silver disc will raise a significant @ @ @ @ @ @ @ known Joel ’ s parents Ian Runacres and Steph Danziger for 40 years and they played in the band Dislocation Dance together in the 1980 's before he joined James in 1989 .
“ When I heard of Joel ’ s diagnosis , I wanted to do what I could to help , ” Andy says .
“ A few fans have commented online and some have messaged me about the Silver Disc .
“ This amazing bit of Manchester music history , they say , should be in a museum or stay @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it they will send it back to me .
“ I replied with a message saying I have had this disc for nearly 30 years , proudly displayed , and now is the time for it to go .
I can ’ t think of a better way for it to go than in a raffle for Joel .
“ What I would say to the winner is that you have won it fair and square for a great cause .
Now is your time to enjoy it and if you ever feel @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , why not run a raffle again or an auction to raise money for a worthy cause , or donate it to a museum yourself for all to enjoy ?
“ I ca n't think of a better future for this disc , and one that is so fitting with the sentiment of the song that it celebrates - in love , in fear , in hate , in tears , sit down in sympathy.
” The Silver Disc was presented to Andy by the BPI for James ’ Indie anthem “ Sit @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to the highest bidder , he wants to give all fans of the band a chance to win this unique piece of Manchester music memorabilia .
Raffle tickets to win the disc cost £5 each , with all proceeds going to the appeal for Joel ’ s treatment .
Fans can enter as many times as they wish .
In addition to the raffle , Andy has also released a reworked version of Diagram Brothers ’ 1981 John Peel favourite ‘ Bricks ’ , which he has remanded ‘ Masks ’ to resonate @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .
All proceeds from downloads of the track will also go towards Joel ’ s appeal and it can be found here .
Ian says the family have been “ overwhelmed by the generosity of family , friends and strangers and we are enormously grateful to those who are hiking , walking and singing to support us.
” Earlier this year 14 of Joel ’ s best friends laced up their walking boots and scaled Snowden to raise money for their pal .
The team of former Parrs Wood Sixth Form College pupils @ @ @ @ @ @ @ s cause .
His mum Steph enlisted her community choir to record a song to inspire the Snowden climbers .
Northenden Community Choir and Manchester Lesbian and Gay Chorus - led by Manchester choir master Dan McDwyer - recorded a version of 'Higher and Higher ' with lead vocals by Happy Mondays legend Rowetta .
Joel ’ s Auntie Caroline and her friend Katie recently completed a gruelling 100km fundraising walk from London to Brighton , which took three days to complete .
Meanwhile , his dad Ian has reformed his band Dislocation @ @ @ @ @ @ @ for download to raise further funds .
Joel headed off to King ’ s College London in September to read English Literature .
Starting university in the midst of a pandemic hasn ’ t been easy for any student , but Ian says Joel is loving his course and spending time in the capital .
He said : “ It ’ s been difficult but he loves his course and he ’ s so happy he ’ s there .
We never thought it would be possible .
“ Andy raffling this disc @ @ @ @ @ @ @ It ’ s a really generous thing to do.
” The first symptoms of Joel ’ s condition appeared while he was studying for his A Levels .
He started to develop migraines , which run in the family , and put it down to the stress of exams .
But when he went for a routine eye test , the optician detected a hemorrhaging on his retinas and he was told to rush to hospital immediately where tests revealed a golf ball sized tumour in his brain .
Joel underwent an eight-hour @ @ @ @ @ @ @ undergone treatment , but has gone as far as he can with the NHS ’ s help .
You can donate to the fund for Joel ’ s treatment here .

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A silver disc of the legendary James anthem ‘Sit Down’ is being auctioned off to raise money for a teenager with an aggressive form of brain cancer.
Trumpeter Andy Diagram has promised to part ways with his beloved silver disc - which he has proudly displayed for 30 years - in the hope of helping his friend Joel Danziger.
Nineteen-year-old Joel, from Didsbury, has glioblastoma - the most aggressive form of brain cancer.
(Image: Mark Waugh Manchester Press Photography Ltd)
Survival after five years for glioblastoma patients is very rare.
But experts say a personalised treatment, known as a Dendritic Cell Vaccine, could significantly prolong and improve Joel’s life.
It would cost £400,000 for the vaccine to be manufactured by a biotech company in Cambridge and for Joel to receive the treatment from a leading brain tumour consultant at King's College Hospital, London.
As such, friends and family have been working hard on various fundraising events to try and help Joel find the money.
Andy - who sings, plays trumpet, percussion and keyboards in James - hopes raffling off his prized silver disc will raise a significant sum for the cause.
Andy has known Joel’s parents Ian Runacres and Steph Danziger for 40 years and they played in the band Dislocation Dance together in the 1980's before he joined James in 1989.
(Image: Manchester Evening News)
“When I heard of Joel’s diagnosis, I wanted to do what I could to help,” Andy says.
“A few fans have commented online and some have messaged me about the Silver Disc. “This amazing bit of Manchester music history, they say, should be in a museum or stay with me, and if they win it they will send it back to me.
“I replied with a message saying I have had this disc for nearly 30 years, proudly displayed, and now is the time for it to go. I can’t think of a better way for it to go than in a raffle for Joel.
“What I would say to the winner is that you have won it fair and square for a great cause. Now is your time to enjoy it and if you ever feel that you want to pass it on, why not run a raffle again or an auction to raise money for a worthy cause, or donate it to a museum yourself for all to enjoy?
“I can't think of a better future for this disc, and one that is so fitting with the sentiment of the song that it celebrates - in love, in fear, in hate, in tears, sit down in sympathy.”
The Silver Disc was presented to Andy by the BPI for James’ Indie anthem “Sit Down”.
Rather than auction it to the highest bidder, he wants to give all fans of the band a chance to win this unique piece of Manchester music memorabilia.
Raffle tickets to win the disc cost £5 each, with all proceeds going to the appeal for Joel’s treatment.
Fans can enter as many times as they wish.
In addition to the raffle, Andy has also released a reworked version of Diagram Brothers’ 1981 John Peel favourite ‘Bricks’, which he has remanded ‘Masks’ to resonate with the effects of the coronavirus pandemic.
All proceeds from downloads of the track will also go towards Joel’s appeal and it can be found here.
Ian says the family have been “overwhelmed by the generosity of family, friends and strangers and we are enormously grateful to those who are hiking, walking and singing to support us.”
Earlier this year 14 of Joel’s best friends laced up their walking boots and scaled Snowden to raise money for their pal.
The team of former Parrs Wood Sixth Form College pupils raised more than £10,000 for Joel’s cause.
His mum Steph enlisted her community choir to record a song to inspire the Snowden climbers.
Northenden Community Choir and Manchester Lesbian and Gay Chorus - led by Manchester choir master Dan McDwyer - recorded a version of 'Higher and Higher' with lead vocals by Happy Mondays legend Rowetta.
Joel’s Auntie Caroline and her friend Katie recently completed a gruelling 100km fundraising walk from London to Brighton, which took three days to complete.
Meanwhile, his dad Ian has reformed his band Dislocation Dance and released an EP called Discombobulation for download to raise further funds.
Joel headed off to King’s College London in September to read English Literature.
Starting university in the midst of a pandemic hasn’t been easy for any student, but Ian says Joel is loving his course and spending time in the capital.
He said: “It’s been difficult but he loves his course and he’s so happy he’s there. We never thought it would be possible.
“Andy raffling this disc means such a lot to us. It’s a really generous thing to do.”
The first symptoms of Joel’s condition appeared while he was studying for his A Levels.
He started to develop migraines, which run in the family, and put it down to the stress of exams.
But when he went for a routine eye test, the optician detected a hemorrhaging on his retinas and he was told to rush to hospital immediately where tests revealed a golf ball sized tumour in his brain.
Joel underwent an eight-hour operation at Salford Royal Hospital and has undergone treatment, but has gone as far as he can with the NHS’s help.
You can donate to the fund for Joel’s treatment here.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-11--Manchester United news and transfers LIVE

Manchester United are set to be without Luke Shaw for a month after scans revealed the extent of the hamstring @ @ @ @ @ the win at Everton .
The left-back set up Bruno Fernandes for United 's equaliser @ @ @ @ @ out of proceedings midway through the second half and will now be sidelined until December @ @ @ @ @ is expected to miss Premier League games against West Brom , Southampton and West Ham @ @ @ @ @ League clashes with Istanbul Basaksehir , Paris Saint-Germain and RB Leipzig while he recovers from @ @ @ @ @ picked up a late shoulder injury at Goodison Park while Victor Lindelof has been managing @ @ @ @ @ far this season .
Both are still set to link up with their countries later @ @ @ @ @ is to be assessed again before a final decision on whether he heads to St @ @ @ @ @ morning .

newsdesk@men-news.co.uk (Richard Fay, Marcus Banks)

Manchester United are set to be without Luke Shaw for a month after scans revealed the extent of the hamstring injury he picked up in the win at Everton.
The left-back set up Bruno Fernandes for United's equaliser at Goodison Park but limped out of proceedings midway through the second half and will now be sidelined until December at the earliest.
Shaw is expected to miss Premier League games against West Brom, Southampton and West Ham, as well as Champions League clashes with Istanbul Basaksehir, Paris Saint-Germain and RB Leipzig while he recovers from the setback.
Marcus Rashford picked up a late shoulder injury at Goodison Park while Victor Lindelof has been managing a persistent back complaint so far this season.
Both are still set to link up with their countries later this week, although Rashford is to be assessed again before a final decision on whether he heads to St George's Park on Thursday morning.
A recap of today's news.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-11--Aldi has launched a new system for shoppers to help with Kevin the Carrot demand

Much to the delight of shoppers , supermarket giant Aldi has confirmed the return of Kevin the Carrot toys to its Specialbuys aisle - along with some new friends .
In previous years , the toys have sold like hot cakes - leaving some shoppers disappointed after they were unable to get their hands on one .
But this year Aldi has come up with a new system to make sure the toys are more evenly distributed .
According to the ECHO , the retailer has employed the same online queuing technology websites like See Tickets use to cope with @ @ @ @ @ @ @ is due to go on sale this Sunday , November 15 and demand is already huge after this year 's advert aired earlier this month .
The toys will be released as part of Aldi 's Special Buy range which means numbers will be limited .
In the past the range has caused led to reports of fighting and chaos in Liverpool shops .
For the first time , the toys will be available for delivery through Deliveroo , meaning some customers can get their choice the same day .
The toy range @ @ @ @ @ @ @ whole host of new friends , including Wingman Turkey , Harry the Hedgehog , Grate Grandma and Grate Grandad ( £3.99 each or available as a bundle for £19.95 ) The range also sees the return of Kevin and Katie the Carrot ( each £3.99 ) and a family of Chantenay , Jasper and Baby ( £3.99 for the set ) .
For an even bigger helping of carrots this Christmas , shoppers can also get their hands on Giant Kevin ( £19.99 ) Customers will be restricted to a maximum of two @ @ @ @ @ @ @ everyone gets a chance to buy something from the range .
Other items in the Kevin the Carrot range include pyjamas , decorations , mugs and gift wrap .

newsdesk@men-news.co.uk (Catherine Murphy, Rachel Pugh)

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Much to the delight of shoppers, supermarket giant Aldi has confirmed the return of Kevin the Carrot toys to its Specialbuys aisle - along with some new friends.
In previous years, the toys have sold like hot cakes - leaving some shoppers disappointed after they were unable to get their hands on one.
But this year Aldi has come up with a new system to make sure the toys are more evenly distributed.
According to the ECHO, the retailer has employed the same online queuing technology websites like See Tickets use to cope with demand for Glastonbury tickets.
The range is due to go on sale this Sunday, November 15 and demand is already huge after this year's advert aired earlier this month.
The toys will be released as part of Aldi's Special Buy range which means numbers will be limited. In the past the range has caused led to reports of fighting and chaos in Liverpool shops.
For the first time, the toys will be available for delivery through Deliveroo, meaning some customers can get their choice the same day.
The toy range includes the new Pilot Kevin and a whole host of new friends, including Wingman Turkey, Harry the Hedgehog, Grate Grandma and Grate Grandad (£3.99 each or available as a bundle for £19.95)
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The range also sees the return of Kevin and Katie the Carrot (each £3.99) and a family of Chantenay, Jasper and Baby (£3.99 for the set). For an even bigger helping of carrots this Christmas, shoppers can also get their hands on Giant Kevin (£19.99)
Customers will be restricted to a maximum of two of each item in order to ensure everyone gets a chance to buy something from the range.
Other items in the Kevin the Carrot range include pyjamas, decorations, mugs and gift wrap.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-11--Award for school which made weekly calls to families in lockdown

A school has been awarded for it efforts to communicate with parents and carers .
While some schools received criticism for failing to engage with families during the first lockdown , staff at Buile Hill Academy in Salford have been praised for going above and beyond .
The school , which is part of the Consilium Academies Multi-Academy Trust , has now been awarded the Leading Parent Partnership Award ( LLPA ) for its commitment to investing in parent and carer communications .
The award , granted by Award Place , is given to education providers who are dedicated to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and carers , to ensure the success of pupils .
As well as being highly commended for its communication with pupils and their families , the academy was particularly praised for its handling of communications with carers over the period of lockdown earlier in the year - with all families receiving a weekly or sometimes daily call to offer support and guidance .
The Pendleton school 's excellent partnerships with its feeder primary schools and colleges were also noted – meaning it is able to support pupils and parents as they transition in @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Jon Marsh said : “ I am immensely proud of Buile Hill for being granted this award , everyone who joins our academy becomes part of the Buile Hill Family , meaning we treat them with mutual respect , understanding , and value .
`` As a result , this means ensuring each member of the community receives the best quality care and communication during all their interactions with us .
“ There is no doubt in my mind that we will continue to work in partnership with parents and carers to further @ @ @ @ @ @ @ leading to improved pupil progress , punctuality , attendance , and behaviour – resulting in long-term improved outcomes in all aspects of academy life.
” Have you been happy with the support from school during both lockdowns ?
Has your child been set work and/or received a call if they needed to isolate ?
Let us know your experiences in the comments here , or on our Manchester Family Facebook page .
As part of the award process , inspectors spoke to students and parents about how they found the communication between themselves @ @ @ @ @ @ @ evidence of its sustained approach to parental engagement , which saw a 50 % increase in attendance at online parents evenings and carers providing outstanding feedback on their experiences .
It also had to show excellence in pupil transition , participation , communication , guidance , induction and home-school links .
David Clayton , CEO of Consilium Academies , added : “ We ’ re thrilled to see Buile Hill Academy be granted this national award for its commitment to both carers and students .
It ’ s only through the hard work @ @ @ @ @ @ @ staff at the academy that this was possible .
“ Due to the Trust ’ s inclusive partnerships with its local communities , it was inevitable that our academies would be recognised for their commitment to outstanding support and communication with carers .
Buile Hill is the epitome of this attitude and we are proud to have the academy part of our Trust .
”

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A school has been awarded for it efforts to communicate with parents and carers.
While some schools received criticism for failing to engage with families during the first lockdown, staff at Buile Hill Academy in Salford have been praised for going above and beyond.
The school, which is part of the Consilium Academies Multi-Academy Trust, has now been awarded the Leading Parent Partnership Award (LLPA) for its commitment to investing in parent and carer communications.
The award, granted by Award Place, is given to education providers who are dedicated to providing the best quality communications for parents and carers, to ensure the success of pupils.
As well as being highly commended for its communication with pupils and their families, the academy was particularly praised for its handling of communications with carers over the period of lockdown earlier in the year - with all families receiving a weekly or sometimes daily call to offer support and guidance.
The Pendleton school's excellent partnerships with its feeder primary schools and colleges were also noted – meaning it is able to support pupils and parents as they transition in and out of the Academy.
(Image: Consilium Academies)
Headteacher Jon Marsh said: “I am immensely proud of Buile Hill for being granted this award, everyone who joins our academy becomes part of the Buile Hill Family, meaning we treat them with mutual respect, understanding, and value.
"As a result, this means ensuring each member of the community receives the best quality care and communication during all their interactions with us.
“There is no doubt in my mind that we will continue to work in partnership with parents and carers to further increase parental participation at Buile Hill, leading to improved pupil progress, punctuality, attendance, and behaviour – resulting in long-term improved outcomes in all aspects of academy life.”
Have you been happy with the support from school during both lockdowns? Has your child been set work and/or received a call if they needed to isolate? Let us know your experiences in the comments here, or on our Manchester Family Facebook page.
As part of the award process, inspectors spoke to students and parents about how they found the communication between themselves and the academy.
Buile Hill provided evidence of its sustained approach to parental engagement, which saw a 50% increase in attendance at online parents evenings and carers providing outstanding feedback on their experiences.
It also had to show excellence in pupil transition, participation, communication, guidance, induction and home-school links.
(Image: Consilium Academies)
David Clayton, CEO of Consilium Academies, added: “We’re thrilled to see Buile Hill Academy be granted this national award for its commitment to both carers and students. It’s only through the hard work, dedication, and commitment of the staff at the academy that this was possible.
“Due to the Trust’s inclusive partnerships with its local communities, it was inevitable that our academies would be recognised for their commitment to outstanding support and communication with carers. Buile Hill is the epitome of this attitude and we are proud to have the academy part of our Trust.”


themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-11--Fred sends message to Manchester United signing Alex Telles

Fred has hailed the 'quality ' of Manchester United signing Alex Telles .
The Brazilian left-back joined his compatriot at Old Trafford in the summer transfer window after United agreed a £13.6m fee plus add-ons with his former side FC Porto .
Telles officially became a United player on deadline day of the summer window as he put pen to paper on a four-year contract with the option to extend by a further year .
The 27-year-old first appeared on United 's radar in 2014 when playing at Galatasaray and was extensively watched over the past two years by numerous @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , including their Portuguese scout and chief scout .
United have long regarded him as the best left-back in Portugal and believe he is the ideal profile to come into Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 's first team squad .
Yet despite such high acclaim Telles has only made one appearance for United since his arrival in October , playing 66 minutes in their Champions League win over Paris Saint-Germain .
Telles played 66 minutes at the Parc des Princes before being replaced but saw his fine progress immediately halted when he was sidelined for @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .
Despite having only played once in the last month Telles was named as part of the Brazil squad for the international break and flew out to join his teammates on Monday .
Taking to social media he uploaded a number of pictures from his first training session and United teammate Fred was one of the hundreds to send him a message of support .
`` Too much quality , '' wrote Fred on Instagram followed by a clapping hands and fist bump emoji .
Brazil face Venezuela on Saturday before Telles takes @ @ @ @ @ @ @ in a match against Uruguay next Tuesday .

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Fred has hailed the 'quality' of Manchester United signing Alex Telles.
The Brazilian left-back joined his compatriot at Old Trafford in the summer transfer window after United agreed a £13.6m fee plus add-ons with his former side FC Porto.
Telles officially became a United player on deadline day of the summer window as he put pen to paper on a four-year contract with the option to extend by a further year.
The 27-year-old first appeared on United's radar in 2014 when playing at Galatasaray and was extensively watched over the past two years by numerous members of the club's scouting team, including their Portuguese scout and chief scout. United have long regarded him as the best left-back in Portugal and believe he is the ideal profile to come into Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's first team squad.
Yet despite such high acclaim Telles has only made one appearance for United since his arrival in October, playing 66 minutes in their Champions League win over Paris Saint-Germain.
Telles played 66 minutes at the Parc des Princes before being replaced but saw his fine progress immediately halted when he was sidelined for two weeks having tested positive for coronavirus.
Despite having only played once in the last month Telles was named as part of the Brazil squad for the international break and flew out to join his teammates on Monday.
(Image: Instagram: alextelles13)
Taking to social media he uploaded a number of pictures from his first training session and United teammate Fred was one of the hundreds to send him a message of support.
"Too much quality," wrote Fred on Instagram followed by a clapping hands and fist bump emoji.
Brazil face Venezuela on Saturday before Telles takes on fellow deadline day arrival Edinson Cavani in a match against Uruguay next Tuesday.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-11--Man who died in tragic house fire in Salford is named

A man who died in a tragic house fire in Salford has been named .
Police and fire crews were called to an end terraced property on Liverpool Street at around 6.20am on Tuesday ( November 10 ) .
Tragically , the body of a man , who has since been named as Roy Austin , was discovered at the scene .
An inquest into the death of Mr Austin , believed to have been in his 80s , is due to be opened at Bolton Coroner ’ s Court .
An investigation into the cause of the fire is @ @ @ @ @ @ @ said .
Speaking to the Manchester Evening News , one neighbour described seeing flames engulf the back of the property .
“ We just knew what was happening , ” he said .
“ We saw it this morning .
Someone shouted ‘ fire ’ outside , it was a young lad .
“ Flames were coming out of the back of the house like a bonfire .
“ Three fire trucks turned up at first , they put it out from the back then went through the front .
“ That 's @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it was thick black smoke billowing out .
“ The police came then the ambulance around 15 minutes later .
It 's just a shame.
” Another neighbour said he woke to the sound of sirens this morning .
He said : “ I just woke up at around 6am to the sirens .
“ The fire was towards the back of the house .
I saw over the top of the roof .
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A man who died in a tragic house fire in Salford has been named.
Police and fire crews were called to an end terraced property on Liverpool Street at around 6.20am on Tuesday (November 10).
Tragically, the body of a man, who has since been named as Roy Austin, was discovered at the scene.
An inquest into the death of Mr Austin, believed to have been in his 80s, is due to be opened at Bolton Coroner’s Court.
An investigation into the cause of the fire is still ongoing, a spokesman for GMP said.
Speaking to the Manchester Evening News , one neighbour described seeing flames engulf the back of the property.
“We just knew what was happening,” he said.
“We saw it this morning. Someone shouted ‘fire’ outside, it was a young lad.
“Flames were coming out of the back of the house like a bonfire.
“Three fire trucks turned up at first, they put it out from the back then went through the front.
“That's when we saw all the smoke - it was thick black smoke billowing out.
“The police came then the ambulance around 15 minutes later. It's just a shame.”
Another neighbour said he woke to the sound of sirens this morning.
He said: “I just woke up at around 6am to the sirens.
“The fire was towards the back of the house. I saw over the top of the roof.”


themanchestereveningnews--2020-11-11--LIVE: Mayor Andy Burnham hold latest coronavirus press conference

Andy Burnham will hold his weekly press conference on the Covid situation in Greater Manchester today .
The mayor will be joined by his deputy for crime and policing , Beverley Hughes .
This week ’ s press conference will provide the usual update on coronavirus-related statistics for the conurbation - including Greater Manchester-wide hospital admissions ; care home cases ; infection rates , testing levels and deaths ; as well as the call-outs being dealt with by the police where lockdown breaches are concerned .
It comes as the country heads into week two of the second national lockdown @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the conurbation suggest they may have turned a corner , although in Trafford they were still rising as of yesterday .
However , rates remain high and the gradual translation into hospital cases meant that last week NHS trusts here collectively agreed to suspend non-urgent and routine work in order to free up bedspace .
GPs are also under growing pressure and staff absence remains very high across the health system .
Today ’ s press conference comes after the government wrote to primary care providers across the country asking them to prepare @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the announcement that Pfizer ’ s vaccine trial has shown positive results .
Thousands of rapid tests are being distributed to local authorities across the country , too , including Greater Manchester , as the government steps up its mass testing strategy .
Nevertheless there remain concerns in the system over the contact tracing capacity that may be needed to go alongside that move , while there are also signs that the pneumonia vaccine - one tool doctors have at their disposal to protect patients from the worst impacts of Covid - is @ @ @ @ @ @ @ is expected to reference a new report by the Northern Health Science Alliance , in which experts from a raft of northern research institutions warn 12.4 more people per 100,000 have died in the north of England than the rest of the country from Covid during the course of the pandemic , along with 57.7 more people overall , from any cause .
“ Mental and financial wellbeing was hardest hit in the Northern Powerhouse , as was loneliness , ” it says .
The report also points to the link between health @ @ @ @ @ @ @ in the north could cost the national economy up to £7bn in lost productivity .
Today ’ s press conference begins at 2pm and you can follow our updates live below ...

Andy Burnham held his weekly press conference on the Covid situation in Greater Manchester today.
The mayor was joined by his deputy for crime and policing, Beverley Hughes.
This week’s press conference provided the usual update on coronavirus-related statistics for the conurbation - including Greater Manchester-wide hospital admissions; care home cases; infection rates, testing levels and deaths; as well as the call-outs being dealt with by the police where lockdown breaches are concerned.
Read updates as they came in below.
It comes as the country heads into week two of the second national lockdown and as the latest infection rates for the conurbation suggest they may have turned a corner, although in Trafford they were still rising as of yesterday.
However, rates remain high and the gradual translation into hospital cases meant that last week NHS trusts here collectively agreed to suspend non-urgent and routine work in order to free up bedspace.
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GPs are also under growing pressure and staff absence remains very high across the health system.
Today’s press conference comes after the government wrote to primary care providers across the country asking them to prepare for a Covid vaccine rollout, following the announcement that Pfizer’s vaccine trial has shown positive results.
Thousands of rapid tests are being distributed to local authorities across the country, too, including Greater Manchester, as the government steps up its mass testing strategy.
Nevertheless there remain concerns in the system over the contact tracing capacity that may be needed to go alongside that move, while there are also signs that the pneumonia vaccine - one tool doctors have at their disposal to protect patients from the worst impacts of Covid - is running out.
This afternoon the mayor is expected to reference a new report by the Northern Health Science Alliance, in which experts from a raft of northern research institutions warn 12.4 more people per 100,000 have died in the north of England than the rest of the country from Covid during the course of the pandemic, along with 57.7 more people overall, from any cause.
“Mental and financial wellbeing was hardest hit in the Northern Powerhouse, as was loneliness,” it says.
The report also points to the link between health and wealth, estimating extra lost lives in the north could cost the national economy up to £7bn in lost productivity.
Today’s press conference begins at 2pm and you can follow our updates live below...