themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-12--Manchester United show tactical promise with Fred in draw vs Man City

Manchester United were a win away from becoming the first top-flight side to win five successive Premier League matches this season and a defeat off matching Frank O'Farrell 's unwanted record of four home league losses before Christmas in 1972 .
Inevitably , the dullest derby ended in a draw .
It was such a hollow occasion there was not a booking until the 79th minute , in spite of Fernandinho 's most brazen fouling .
The occasion was so devoid of controversy or debate that a penalty rightly awarded to Marcus Rashford was rightly overturned as he received the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ finally seeing yellow was the most noteworthy event of a contest where a corner flag committed one of the standout tackles .
Nothing was ever going to compare to the jubilant cheers that greeted Scott McTominay 's added time clincher nine months ago - the last Old Trafford game to host matchgoers - or the scenes in the away end when Edin Dzeko made it six in 2011 .
The spacious surroundings outside Old Trafford had never felt emptier and the atmosphere inside the ground was the polar opposite from nine months ago @ @ @ @ @ @ @ beatings marked his last as the United manager on home turf .
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is all but certain to be back in the dugout for Leeds ' first league visit to M16 next Sunday despite an utterly unfulfilling week of Champions League elimination and more profligacy at home .
United have won one of their six home league games , scoring three ( two of them penalties ) and will be grateful they are away at Sheffield United on Thursday .
The statistics claimed Ederson had two attempts on target to field @ @ @ @ @ @ @ at United are adamant they have regained their identity under Solskjaer but in both matches this week they have been risk-aversive and only came alive when they conceded .
Both managers have lamented the reduction of substitutions back down to three from five yet both were peculiarly passive , with Ferran Torres introduced in the 66th minute and Anthony Martial eventually introduced in the 74th .
If a crowd was present there would have been clamours for Phil Foden and Donny van de Beek yet both managers only made one change apiece .
@ @ @ @ @ @ @ derby United had to defend better from the front and concealed in that message was the tactical surprise of Bruno Fernandes doubling as a centre forward in a 4-3-3 .
Solskjaer used the same formation , with Jesse Lingard breaking through split strikers , to defeat Tottenham and Arsenal when still the caretaker manager in January 2019 and Fernandes set such an intense tempo Aaron Wan-Bissaka was inside the City third within seconds of an Ederson goal kick , harrying Joao Cancelo .
Harry Maguire was so eager for United to push 'up @ @ @ @ @ @ @ pedestrian and dominant with the ball they would not counter-attack , yet United were exposed by the elegance of a Kevin De Bruyne lay-off that Riyad Mahrez botched with a nervous finish David de Gea easily repelled .
It was not the only occasion Mahrez lacked bravery and he was the first to be substituted .
Solskjaer will have been encouraged with how United functioned in their new ( or old ) formation at the pause though the clear-cut chances were fashioned by City , otherwise tepid and more stimulated following the half-time @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , conductor of the press , had never sounded so loud inside a sparse stadium .
United 's balance was not compromised by a cynical foul by De Bruyne on Fred , still yet to yield to an injury in two-and-a-half years at United .
Not for the first time , Fernandinho avoided a card for deliberately fouling Fernandes in the first derby in years where there was no mention of 'tactical foul ' in the build-up .
Fred reiterated why he is undroppable in the United midfield even though there are better @ @ @ @ @ @ @ balanced out a midfield quartet that successfully accommodated Pogba and those probing passes that knitted the play together were missed in Leipzig .
City lack the imperiousness they oozed on their last win at Old Trafford in January and the complete absence of Sergio Aguero through illness was a fillip for United .
Even with the class of De Bruyne and energy of Raheem Sterling , United 's attack was equal to City 's and Gabriel Jesus squandered the kind of half-volley Aguero , with nine derby goals , has habitually converted .
@ @ @ @ @ @ @ Williams to step in for Mick Jagger for a Rolling Stones concert and whenever City started to resemble their old selves they often collapsed with the support act .
The contest ended with him declining to shoot when through on goal , only to be eventually flagged .
It was that dull .

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Manchester United were a win away from becoming the first top-flight side to win five successive Premier League matches this season and a defeat off matching Frank O'Farrell's unwanted record of four home league losses before Christmas in 1972. Inevitably, the dullest derby ended in a draw.
It was such a hollow occasion there was not a booking until the 79th minute, in spite of Fernandinho's most brazen fouling. The occasion was so devoid of controversy or debate that a penalty awarded to Marcus Rashford was rightly overturned as he received the ball in an offside position. Fernandinho finally seeing yellow was the most noteworthy event of a contest where a corner flag committed one of the standout tackles.
Nothing was ever going to compare to the jubilant cheers that greeted Scott McTominay's added time clincher nine months ago - the last Old Trafford game to host matchgoers - or the scenes in the away end when Edin Dzeko made it six in 2011. The spacious surroundings outside Old Trafford had never felt emptier and the atmosphere inside the ground was the polar opposite from nine months ago.
The fourth of O'Farrell's pre-Christmas beatings marked his last as the United manager on home turf. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is all but certain to be back in the dugout for Leeds' first league visit to M16 next Sunday despite an utterly unfulfilling week of Champions League elimination and more profligacy at home.
United have won one of their six home league games, scoring three (two of them penalties) and will be grateful they are away at Sheffield United on Thursday. The statistics claimed Ederson had two attempts on target to field yet both were unmemorable.
Senior figures at United are adamant they have regained their identity under Solskjaer but in both matches this week they have been risk-aversive and only came alive when they conceded.
Both managers have lamented the reduction of substitutions back down to three from five yet both were peculiarly passive, with Ferran Torres introduced in the 66th minute and Anthony Martial eventually introduced in the 74th. If a crowd was present there would have been clamours for Phil Foden and Donny van de Beek yet both managers only made one change apiece.
Solskjaer said on the eve of the derby United had to defend better from the front and concealed in that message was the tactical surprise of Bruno Fernandes doubling as a centre forward in a 4-3-3.
Solskjaer used the same formation, with Jesse Lingard breaking through split strikers, to defeat Tottenham and Arsenal when still the caretaker manager in January 2019 and Fernandes set such an intense tempo Aaron Wan-Bissaka was inside the City third within seconds of an Ederson goal kick, harrying Joao Cancelo.
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Harry Maguire was so eager for United to push 'up', as though City were so pedestrian and dominant with the ball they would not counter-attack, yet United were exposed by the elegance of a Kevin De Bruyne lay-off that Riyad Mahrez botched with a nervous finish David de Gea easily repelled. It was not the only occasion Mahrez lacked bravery and he was the first to be substituted.
Solskjaer will have been encouraged with how United functioned in their new (or old) formation at the pause though the clear-cut chances were fashioned by City, otherwise tepid and more stimulated following the half-time recess.
The United coach Kieran McKenna, conductor of the press, had never sounded so loud inside a sparse stadium. United's balance was not compromised by a cynical foul by De Bruyne on Fred, still yet to yield to an injury in two-and-a-half years at United. Not for the first time, Fernandinho avoided a card for deliberately fouling Fernandes in the first derby in years where there was no mention of 'tactical foul' in the build-up.
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Fred reiterated why he is undroppable in the United midfield even though there are better midfielders in Solskjaer's squad. He balanced out a midfield quartet that successfully accommodated Pogba and those probing passes that knitted the play together were missed in Leipzig.
City lack the imperiousness they oozed on their last win at Old Trafford in January and the complete absence of Sergio Aguero through illness was a fillip for United. Even with the class of De Bruyne and energy of Raheem Sterling, United's attack was equal to City's and Gabriel Jesus squandered the kind of half-volley Aguero, with nine derby goals, has habitually converted.
Jesus for Aguero is like getting Robbie Williams to step in for Mick Jagger for a Rolling Stones concert and whenever City started to resemble their old selves they often collapsed with the support act. The contest ended with him declining to shoot when through on goal, only to be eventually flagged.
It was that dull.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-12--Man City show vs Man United why they can win the title, but may not

Manchester City showed why they can but may not win the Premier League title in an uneventful 0-0 draw with Manchester United .
As the final whistle blew inside a wintry Old Trafford , the jury remains out on whether either team can mount a challenge for Liverpool 's trophy after both cancelled each other out .
The rivalry has not coincided with a meaningful title race since Sir Alex Ferguson retired , with the Blues finishing higher for the last seven consecutive seasons .
Yet the gulf between the teams over a league campaign has n't always been evident @ @ @ @ @ @ @ last season ; while they would ultimately end up with 15 more points , they lose both league meetings with Solskjaer 's men and were humbled at Old Trafford in the final game played in front of a crowd .
Not only did they have to endure the raucous home crowd as Scott McTominay killed the game in injury time but by that point Pep Guardiola had already literally been shushed by Bruno Fernandes .
If the ongoing disruption from Covid saw this game played behind closed doors - saving United from relentless @ @ @ @ @ @ @ playing on Thursday nights because they are n't very good ( or words to that effect ) - City could at least get some form of payback on Fernandes and United on the pitch .
That ultimately depended on which version of United turned up though : they may be more Europa than Champions League but have shown under Solskjaer they are almost as capable of the spectacular as they are of the shambolic .
Guardiola opted for experience rather than youth in his team , with Fernandinho trusted to sit in alongside @ @ @ @ @ @ @ relative struggles this season , while Phil Foden and Ferran Torres were named on the bench .
Fernandinho , back to his snarling best in recent matches , was late into challenges with Paul Pogba and Bruno Fernandes in the opening five minutes to let them know he was there .
The Blues were pushed back in the opening stages though by a surprisingly aggressive home team , urged on vociferously by assistance coach Kieran McKenna .
Kyle Walker was fortunate that Scott McTominay did not get on the end of Victor Lindelof @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the 11th minute as the right-back failed to pick up the run .
Further City sloppiness only encouraged their rivals .
Rodri and Ederson both gave the ball away in their own third to present dangerous opportunities to suggest that the individual mistakes that have let Guardiola 's side down badly since the beginning of last season are still being made .
Walker was relieved again at the beginning of the second half when he kicked Marcus Rashford in the box , only for the forward to be flagged for offside by VAR @ @ @ @ @ @ @ as well .
Gabriel Jesus wasted an excellent run by scooping a Riyad Mahrez chip over the bar before Mahrez did n't do enough with a wonderful first-time ball from De Bruyne .
However , there has definitely been improvement in the defence - and that is not only down to the radical effect Ruben Dias has had ; it is now nine league games where City have conceded fewer goals with him in the team than the two games at the beginning of the season before they signed him .
Stones was @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of the box to ensure that Ederson had very little to do , while Joao Cancelo did an excellent job at left-back controlling his compatriot Bruno Fernandes .
If City are still conceding chances that they should n't , they do n't seem to be giving up as many good chances .
That is a solid enough platform on which to build a title-challenging team , and the players have spoken independently this week about the confidence that can be gained from keeping clean sheets .
As former defender Joleon Lescott mentioned about @ @ @ @ @ @ @ they can get at you the less the end up trying to get at you .
With the season as it is , a point away at United could be seen as one gained rather than two lost .
The tally needed to win the league will be far lower this time round than the record-breaking bar set by City and Liverpool over the past three years and coming away with something from a big away game is an improvement on recent occasions .
How this game and team is ultimately judged will @ @ @ @ @ @ @ attack can be .
Goals have been hard to come by this season , perhaps surprising given their previous prolific record under Guardiola yet less surprising given the troubles of Sergio Aguero , who missed this game with gastroenteritis .
While City are chasing a striker next summer as a priority with Lionel Messi a possibility and Erling Haaland showing he may well be worth dealing with Mino Raiola over , Jesus and the rest have the responsibility for at least the next six months and they will have to improve if they @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the title .
Torres was lively as soon as he was brought off the bench for the final 25 minutes , showing a willingness to run at Luke Shaw with his pace in a way reminiscent of Leroy Sane - the man he was signed to replace this summer .
The killer moment continued to elude the Blues though , forcing them to settle for a point that leaves them behind their neighbours after 11 games .
Such a performance plays into the idea that this team will not sweep the league before @ @ @ @ @ @ @ monstering United here en route to back-to-back titles in 2018 and 2019 .
And if they will still likely remain the top team in Manchester come the end of the season , they will need more of a cutting edge if they are to reel in Liverpool and any other challengers .

Manchester City showed why they can but may not win the Premier League title in an uneventful 0-0 draw with Manchester United.
As the final whistle blew inside a wintry Old Trafford, the jury remains out on whether either team can mount a challenge for Liverpool's trophy after both cancelled each other out. The rivalry has not coincided with a meaningful title race since Sir Alex Ferguson retired, with the Blues finishing higher for the last seven consecutive seasons.
Yet the gulf between the teams over a league campaign hasn't always been evident in derbies, with City particularly frustrated last season; while they would ultimately end up with 15 more points, they lose both league meetings with Solskjaer's men and were humbled at Old Trafford in the final game played in front of a crowd. Not only did they have to endure the raucous home crowd as Scott McTominay killed the game in injury time but by that point Pep Guardiola had already literally been shushed by Bruno Fernandes.
If the ongoing disruption from Covid saw this game played behind closed doors - saving United from relentless chants from the away end about them playing on Thursday nights because they aren't very good (or words to that effect) - City could at least get some form of payback on Fernandes and United on the pitch.
That ultimately depended on which version of United turned up though: they may be more Europa than Champions League but have shown under Solskjaer they are almost as capable of the spectacular as they are of the shambolic.
Guardiola opted for experience rather than youth in his team, with Fernandinho trusted to sit in alongside Rodri and Raheem Sterling included despite his relative struggles this season, while Phil Foden and Ferran Torres were named on the bench.
Fernandinho, back to his snarling best in recent matches, was late into challenges with Paul Pogba and Bruno Fernandes in the opening five minutes to let them know he was there.
The Blues were pushed back in the opening stages though by a surprisingly aggressive home team, urged on vociferously by assistance coach Kieran McKenna. Kyle Walker was fortunate that Scott McTominay did not get on the end of Victor Lindelof's flicked header from a corner in the 11th minute as the right-back failed to pick up the run.
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Further City sloppiness only encouraged their rivals. Rodri and Ederson both gave the ball away in their own third to present dangerous opportunities to suggest that the individual mistakes that have let Guardiola's side down badly since the beginning of last season are still being made. Walker was relieved again at the beginning of the second half when he kicked Marcus Rashford in the box, only for the forward to be flagged for offside by VAR.
There were familiar failings up front as well. Gabriel Jesus wasted an excellent run by scooping a Riyad Mahrez chip over the bar before Mahrez didn't do enough with a wonderful first-time ball from De Bruyne.
However, there has definitely been improvement in the defence - and that is not only down to the radical effect Ruben Dias has had; it is now nine league games where City have conceded fewer goals with him in the team than the two games at the beginning of the season before they signed him.
Stones was fully composed alongside him in the heart of the box to ensure that Ederson had very little to do, while Joao Cancelo did an excellent job at left-back controlling his compatriot Bruno Fernandes. If City are still conceding chances that they shouldn't, they don't seem to be giving up as many good chances.
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That is a solid enough platform on which to build a title-challenging team, and the players have spoken independently this week about the confidence that can be gained from keeping clean sheets. As former defender Joleon Lescott mentioned about John Stones, the less teams think they can get at you the less the end up trying to get at you.
With the season as it is, a point away at United could be seen as one gained rather than two lost. The tally needed to win the league will be far lower this time round than the record-breaking bar set by City and Liverpool over the past three years and coming away with something from a big away game is an improvement on recent occasions.
How this game and team is ultimately judged will come down to how much better the attack can be. Goals have been hard to come by this season, perhaps surprising given their previous prolific record under Guardiola yet less surprising given the troubles of Sergio Aguero, who missed this game with gastroenteritis.
While City are chasing a striker next summer as a priority with Lionel Messi a possibility and Erling Haaland showing he may well be worth dealing with Mino Raiola over, Jesus and the rest have the responsibility for at least the next six months and they will have to improve if they are to have any hope of winning the title.
Torres was lively as soon as he was brought off the bench for the final 25 minutes, showing a willingness to run at Luke Shaw with his pace in a way reminiscent of Leroy Sane - the man he was signed to replace this summer.
The killer moment continued to elude the Blues though, forcing them to settle for a point that leaves them behind their neighbours after 11 games.
Such a performance plays into the idea that this team will not sweep the league before them as they did when they were monstering United here en route to back-to-back titles in 2018 and 2019. And if they will still likely remain the top team in Manchester come the end of the season, they will need more of a cutting edge if they are to reel in Liverpool and any other challengers.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-12--Manchester United vs Man City highlights and reaction

Manchester United and Manchester City shared the spoils after playing out an uninspiring 0-0 draw at Old Trafford .
The @ @ @ @ @ last season , with 10 goals shared across the encounters , but this derby rarely @ @ @ @ @ levels of drama to the last time they met , when Scott McTominay 's late @ @ @ @ @ 2-0 win for United in both sides ' last games in front of a full @ @ @ @ @ Riyad Mahrez had City 's best chance of the match in the first half but @ @ @ @ @ Gea from close range after Kevin De Bruyne 's cute through ball .
United thought @ @ @ @ @ opportunity to take the lead from 12 yards when Marcus Rashford was felled by Kyle @ @ @ @ @ but a VAR check showed Rashford was offside when the ball was played to him @ @ @ @ @ .
Follow our blog below for reaction to the match .

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Manchester United and Manchester City shared the spoils after playing out an uninspiring 0-0 draw at Old Trafford.
The two sides met four times last season, with 10 goals shared across the encounters, but this derby rarely threatened to serve up similar levels of drama to the last time they met, when Scott McTominay's late strike from distance secured a 2-0 win for United in both sides' last games in front of a full crowd back in March.
Riyad Mahrez had City's best chance of the match in the first half but was denied by David de Gea from close range after Kevin De Bruyne's cute through ball.
United thought they'd been given an opportunity to take the lead from 12 yards when Marcus Rashford was felled by Kyle Walker after the break, but a VAR check showed Rashford was offside when the ball was played to him and the decision was overruled.
Follow our blog below for reaction to the match.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-12--Man City player ratings vs Man United

Man City player ratings vs Man United

Ederson : His surprisingly poor distribution put City into trouble on a few occasions as the home side pressed .
Had very little to do otherwise .
5 Walker : Caught on his heels from a corner to nearly concede .
Let off by the offside flag after fouling Rashford in the box .
He was vocal in organising the defence but disappointing individually .
5 Stones : Showed why he was picked to start ahead of Aymeric Laporte with a confident performance alongside Ruben Dias , always aware of the danger and ready to cut it out .
8 @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .
Whenever United did get at the defence it tended to end as soon as they tried to go through the middle .
7 Cancelo : Performed very well up against Bruno Fernandes , who he perhaps has more knowledge of than Benjamin Mendy would have done .
7 Rodri : Some poor decisions put extra strain on the defence , although he was useful clearing the danger from corners with his height .
6 Agree with our ratings ?
Let us know in the comments Fernandinho : Welcome support for Rodri , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ some neat touches carrying the ball forward in midfield .
Another promising performance .
7 De Bruyne : He was n't always accurate but he looked the most threatening whenever he got on the ball and was involved in nearly all of City 's best moments going forward .
7 Mahrez : Played a lovely chip through for Jesus but was then unable to finish from De Bruyne 's pass .
Did not see enough of the ball - to the frustration of Guardiola - against a disciplined United .
6 Sterling : @ @ @ @ @ @ @ but not for lack of effort .
He worked his way into some good positions before the break but struggled to find space after it .
6 Jesus : He chased back regularly to help the defence and made some intelligent runs into the other box but could not finish the opportunities he earned .
Has n't scored since the Liverpool game .
6 Torres ( for Mahrez , 66 ) : Found space to run at Shaw , instantly making City more dangerous .
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Ederson: His surprisingly poor distribution put City into trouble on a few occasions as the home side pressed. Had very little to do otherwise. 5
Walker: Caught on his heels from a corner to nearly concede. Let off by the offside flag after fouling Rashford in the box. He was vocal in organising the defence but disappointing individually. 5
Stones: Showed why he was picked to start ahead of Aymeric Laporte with a confident performance alongside Ruben Dias, always aware of the danger and ready to cut it out. 8
Dias: No frills, no problems. Whenever United did get at the defence it tended to end as soon as they tried to go through the middle. 7
Cancelo: Performed very well up against Bruno Fernandes, who he perhaps has more knowledge of than Benjamin Mendy would have done. 7
Rodri: Some poor decisions put extra strain on the defence, although he was useful clearing the danger from corners with his height. 6
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Fernandinho: Welcome support for Rodri, providing the bite in tackles and also some neat touches carrying the ball forward in midfield. Another promising performance. 7
De Bruyne: He wasn't always accurate but he looked the most threatening whenever he got on the ball and was involved in nearly all of City's best moments going forward. 7
Mahrez: Played a lovely chip through for Jesus but was then unable to finish from De Bruyne's pass. Did not see enough of the ball - to the frustration of Guardiola - against a disciplined United. 6
Sterling: His long barren run against United continues but not for lack of effort. He worked his way into some good positions before the break but struggled to find space after it. 6
Jesus: He chased back regularly to help the defence and made some intelligent runs into the other box but could not finish the opportunities he earned. Hasn't scored since the Liverpool game. 6
Substitutes
Torres (for Mahrez, 66): Found space to run at Shaw, instantly making City more dangerous. 7
Not used; Steffen, Laporte, Mendy, Bernardo, Gundogan, Foden


themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-12--Manchester United player ratings: Fred and Luke Shaw good

Made a solid save from Riyad Mahrez with a more assured stance than in midweek .
Otherwise utterly untroubled .
6 Not as watertight up against Raheem Sterling and was caught out by Gabriel Jesus .
Wasteful in the final third .
6 Picked out Bruno Fernandes with a perceptive pass but often found himself chasing after an opponent towards his own goal .
6 Had a scare when Jesus dispossessed him but dominated the majority of his duels with Sergio Aguero absent .
6 Slick with the ball from open play and offered a threat with his corner taking @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Torres after he came on .
7 Disciplined in shielding the back four and not shy in directing the attackers whenever United pressed .
6 Reiterated why he is undroppable in the United midfield .
His passes were probing and Fred gave United balance with Paul Pogba back .
7 Had some decent moments despite ceding possession carelessly at times .
Found Rashford superbly for a second-half chance .
6 Pressed intensely and had some goalscoring opportunities that he passed up .
Very ineffectual in the second-half .
6 Did not do enough @ @ @ @ @ @ @ in the second that was overruled .
Spurned a reasonable opening from Pogba 's pass .
5 Peripheral for most of the first-half and naive at times when he did get the ball .
Never got going in the second and lucky to stay on for so long .
5 His tactics were innovative and the midfield balanced with Fred back in .
Too dilatory in making a sub in the second-half or changing it up any more .
6

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David de Gea
Made a solid save from Riyad Mahrez with a more assured stance than in midweek. Otherwise utterly untroubled. 6
Aaron Wan-Bissaka
Not as watertight up against Raheem Sterling and was caught out by Gabriel Jesus. Wasteful in the final third. 6
Victor Lindelof
Picked out Bruno Fernandes with a perceptive pass but often found himself chasing after an opponent towards his own goal. 6
Harry Maguire
Had a scare when Jesus dispossessed him but dominated the majority of his duels with Sergio Aguero absent. 6
Luke Shaw
Slick with the ball from open play and offered a threat with his corner taking. Coped well with the nippy Ferran Torres after he came on. 7
Scott McTominay
Disciplined in shielding the back four and not shy in directing the attackers whenever United pressed. 6
Fred
Reiterated why he is undroppable in the United midfield. His passes were probing and Fred gave United balance with Paul Pogba back. 7
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Paul Pogba
Had some decent moments despite ceding possession carelessly at times. Found Rashford superbly for a second-half chance. 6
Bruno Fernandes
Pressed intensely and had some goalscoring opportunities that he passed up. Very ineffectual in the second-half. 6
Marcus Rashford
Did not do enough in the first-half but won a penalty in the second that was overruled. Spurned a reasonable opening from Pogba's pass. 5
Mason Greenwood
Peripheral for most of the first-half and naive at times when he did get the ball. Never got going in the second and lucky to stay on for so long. 5
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Subs
Anthony Martial
Made no impact whatsoever. 4
Manager
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
His tactics were innovative and the midfield balanced with Fred back in. Too dilatory in making a sub in the second-half or changing it up any more. 6


themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-12--Bolton boss Evatt on Walsall loss, naming same team, and Isgrove absence

Bolton Wanderers suffered back-to-back defeats in League Two with a loss against Walsall .
The Trotters went ahead in the first half thanks to Eoin Doyle , but the Saddlers equalised through Elijah Adebayo on the stroke of half-time , though there was suggestions that Ali Crawford had been fouled in the build-up .
And the hosts took the lead and all three points when Rory Holden lashed home from just outside the box after the break as Wanderers succumbed to defeat .
After the game , Wanderers head coach Ian Evatt spoke to the press and here 's his @ @ @ @ @ @ @ just before half-time - what is your assessment ?
“ We should be out of sight in the first half and the game should be over .
It should be dead and buried and we cause our own problems .
We don ’ t learn our lesson .
`` We ’ re screaming for a foul and , fine , it might be a free-kick , it might not , I don ’ t know .
But you still have to defend the box , defend crosses - we spoke about it last @ @ @ @ @ @ @ it again today .
`` That completely changed the whole momentum of the game .
We ’ ve completely dominated the half , come in at half-time and they ’ ve got a head of steam up second half .
`` We don ’ t get started , we don ’ t take responsibility .
We ’ re passing on responsibility with the ball , we ’ re slashing at clearances , we ’ re not getting to the ball quick enough to clear our box .
`` Then they score and then @ @ @ @ @ @ @ post and have one or two other bits but it ’ s extremely disappointing because I think the first half , we should have been out of sight . ''
How do you put it right ?
“ We keep working hard .
That ’ s all we can do , keep grafting away and working hard .
`` January ’ s round the corner , we can strengthen in January .
We need to strengthen , there ’ s no two ways about it and we ’ ll go again . ''
@ @ @ @ @ @ @ like you got physically outmanoeuvred in the second half ?
“ To be honest , yeah , but there ’ s different ways to win a fight .
Do I want to be a team like that , do I want Bolton Wanderers to be that team ?
No I don ’ t , I want us to beat teams a different way and that means passing and moving , like we did the first half , fast counter attacks , fast football , and we did enough in the first half to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ We concede a goal a minute from half-time where they haven ’ t really been near our goal the whole half and then second half , we come under a bit of pressure but there ’ s no composure , there ’ s no-one taking responsibility , we ’ re slashing at clearances , we look jittery , we looked panicky , and we stopped playing .
`` It ’ s immensely disappointing because I think first half , the game should have been over . ''
Do you have to find a @ @ @ @ @ @ @ “ I think first half , we found the way .
We just didn ’ t do it consistently enough and we concede a goal just before half-time when they haven ’ t really been in the whole half and it changed the whole momentum of the game and we have to learn our lesson .
`` That ’ s happened at Stevenage but we saw it out , it ’ s happened again today and we ’ ve not saw it out , so lesson learned , move on . ''
You @ @ @ @ @ @ @ six last weekend , it ’ s quite something to name the same team - what was your thinking ?
“ They needed to redeem themselves first and foremost and I think first half they went a long way to doing that .
`` Second half , they didn ’ t .
I look where I can change it at the moment .
Am I seeing enough from the others ?
No is the answer , so I chose to stay with that team .
`` Lloyd Isgrove would have been a part @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ’ re looking at making changes .
`` Arthur comes on and gets injured after 30 seconds .
It ’ s difficult .
We ’ re lacking definitely forward options and the other lads out of the team have to do more to get in it . ''
What happened to Arthur Gnahoua in the end ?
“ It doesn ’ t look like it ’ s that ( coronavirus ) .
Obviously we ’ ll follow protocol and hell be tested but it ’ s more of a sickness and diarrhoea bug @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to have a game on Tuesday to get this out of your system ?
“ Yeah it is , but we have to learn lessons and learn them quickly .
We ’ re working ever so hard on the training pitch .
`` First half I thought we were very , very good away from home against a physically dominant team .
We didn ’ t look in any trouble , but again we ’ ve gone from not looking in any trouble to losing a game - we can ’ t do @ @ @

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Bolton Wanderers suffered back-to-back defeats in League Two with a loss against Walsall.
The Trotters went ahead in the first half thanks to Eoin Doyle, but the Saddlers equalised through Elijah Adebayo on the stroke of half-time, though there was suggestions that Ali Crawford had been fouled in the build-up.
And the hosts took the lead and all three points when Rory Holden lashed home from just outside the box after the break as Wanderers succumbed to defeat.
After the game, Wanderers head coach Ian Evatt spoke to the press and here's his immediate reaction.
The turning point was just before half-time - what is your assessment?
“We should be out of sight in the first half and the game should be over. It should be dead and buried and we cause our own problems. We don’t learn our lesson.
"We’re screaming for a foul and, fine, it might be a free-kick, it might not, I don’t know. But you still have to defend the box, defend crosses - we spoke about it last week and we’ve not done it again today.
"That completely changed the whole momentum of the game. We’ve completely dominated the half, come in at half-time and they’ve got a head of steam up second half.
"We don’t get started, we don’t take responsibility. We’re passing on responsibility with the ball, we’re slashing at clearances, we’re not getting to the ball quick enough to clear our box.
"Then they score and then we huff and puff and hit the post and have one or two other bits but it’s extremely disappointing because I think the first half, we should have been out of sight."
How do you put it right?
“We keep working hard. That’s all we can do, keep grafting away and working hard.
"January’s round the corner, we can strengthen in January. We need to strengthen, there’s no two ways about it and we’ll go again."
Is strengthen the word because it felt like you got physically outmanoeuvred in the second half?
“To be honest, yeah, but there’s different ways to win a fight. Do I want to be a team like that, do I want Bolton Wanderers to be that team? No I don’t, I want us to beat teams a different way and that means passing and moving, like we did the first half, fast counter attacks, fast football, and we did enough in the first half to put the game to bed.
"We concede a goal a minute from half-time where they haven’t really been near our goal the whole half and then second half, we come under a bit of pressure but there’s no composure, there’s no-one taking responsibility, we’re slashing at clearances, we look jittery, we looked panicky, and we stopped playing.
"It’s immensely disappointing because I think first half, the game should have been over."
Do you have to find a way of beating teams like that?
“I think first half, we found the way. We just didn’t do it consistently enough and we concede a goal just before half-time when they haven’t really been in the whole half and it changed the whole momentum of the game and we have to learn our lesson.
"That’s happened at Stevenage but we saw it out, it’s happened again today and we’ve not saw it out, so lesson learned, move on."
You named the same team - having conceded six last weekend, it’s quite something to name the same team - what was your thinking?
“They needed to redeem themselves first and foremost and I think first half they went a long way to doing that.
"Second half, they didn’t. I look where I can change it at the moment. Am I seeing enough from the others? No is the answer, so I chose to stay with that team.
"Lloyd Isgrove would have been a part but he’s ill and we’re looking at making changes.
"Arthur comes on and gets injured after 30 seconds. It’s difficult. We’re lacking definitely forward options and the other lads out of the team have to do more to get in it."
What happened to Arthur Gnahoua in the end?
“He’s popped his shoulder."
What is Isgrove’s illness?
“It doesn’t look like it’s that (coronavirus). Obviously we’ll follow protocol and hell be tested but it’s more of a sickness and diarrhoea bug."
Is it a good thing to have a game on Tuesday to get this out of your system?
“Yeah it is, but we have to learn lessons and learn them quickly. We’re working ever so hard on the training pitch.
"First half I thought we were very, very good away from home against a physically dominant team. We didn’t look in any trouble, but again we’ve gone from not looking in any trouble to losing a game - we can’t do it."


themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-12--Bolton Wanderers player ratings vs Walsall: Thomason good

Had little to do in the first half apart from pick the ball out of his net and had no chance with the second goal .
Produced a great stop to deny Adebayo .
Fairly solid showing for the veteran on the right of the back three .
A return to some of the form of recent times and had an intriguing battle with Adebayo throughout , though gave away the ball inexplicably after the break to McDonald which nearly led to goal Switched off for the equaliser as Adebayo put the Saddlers back in it and gave away the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ .
A decent showing going forward with some dangerous crosses but caught out defensively numerous times on his flank , which allowed space for the dangerous McDonald .
Did a lot of defensive work in the middle to break up Walsall attacks and helped start the move for Bolton 's opener .
Flashes of quality from the youngster and energetic in the middle of the park and was in the wars too .
One of Bolton 's better players on the day .
Generally solid shift on the left flank from the wing-back @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Played part in Doyle 's goal and appeared to have been fouled in build-up to Adebayo 's goal , but lacked sufficient creative flair and was brought off in the second half for Gnahoua .
In the right place to put Wanderers ahead with close range finish and could not be faulted for work rate .
Great cross to set up Doyle for the opening goal and could have had another were if not for the linesman 's flag .
Came on for Crawford but time on pitch was short lived due to @ @ @ @ @ @ @ injury Gnahoua - showed some energy after his introduction .
Replaced Thomason late on and did not have much time to make an impact on the game .

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Matt Gilks - 6
Had little to do in the first half apart from pick the ball out of his net and had no chance with the second goal. Produced a great stop to deny Adebayo.
Alex Baptiste - 6
Fairly solid showing for the veteran on the right of the back three.
Ricardo Almeida Santos - 6
A return to some of the form of recent times and had an intriguing battle with Adebayo throughout, though gave away the ball inexplicably after the break to McDonald which nearly led to goal
Ryan Delaney - 4
Switched off for the equaliser as Adebayo put the Saddlers back in it and gave away the free-kick which led to Holden's goal.
Peter Kioso - 5
A decent showing going forward with some dangerous crosses but caught out defensively numerous times on his flank, which allowed space for the dangerous McDonald.
Antoni Sarcevic - 6
Did a lot of defensive work in the middle to break up Walsall attacks and helped start the move for Bolton's opener.
George Thomason - 7
Flashes of quality from the youngster and energetic in the middle of the park and was in the wars too. One of Bolton's better players on the day.
Gethin Jones - 6
Generally solid shift on the left flank from the wing-back both in defence and going forwards.
Ali Crawford - 5
Played part in Doyle's goal and appeared to have been fouled in build-up to Adebayo's goal, but lacked sufficient creative flair and was brought off in the second half for Gnahoua.
Eoin Doyle - 6
In the right place to put Wanderers ahead with close range finish and could not be faulted for work rate.
Nathan Delfouneso - 7
Great cross to set up Doyle for the opening goal and could have had another were if not for the linesman's flag.
Substitutes
Arthur Gnahoua - 5
Came on for Crawford but time on pitch was short lived due to shoulder injury.
Ronan Darcy - 5
Came on for the injury Gnahoua - showed some energy after his introduction.
Tom White - 5
Replaced Thomason late on and did not have much time to make an impact on the game.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-12--Firefighters spend eight hours tackling blaze at house

Firefighters spent eight hours tackling a blaze at a house in Trafford .
They were called to a fire at a property in Devon Road , Partington , at 3.40am today .
It 's not clear what the cause of the fire was but it started in the roof of the house , Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service said .
It 's not known whether there were any injuries .
The blaze spread to other neighbouring properties , a spokeswoman said .
The M.E.N .
has asked Greater Manchester Police and the North West Ambulance Service for more information @ @ @ @ @ @ @ : `` At 3.40am on Saturday , December 12 firefighters were called to reports of a fire on Devon Road in Partington .
`` Four fire engines from Lymm , Sale , Altrincham and Irlam quickly attended the scene .
`` The fire involved the roof space of a domestic property , which spread to neighbouring properties .
`` Firefighters used hose reels and breathing apparatus to extinguish the fire and were at the scene for eight hours . ''
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Firefighters spent eight hours tackling a blaze at a house in Trafford.
They were called to a fire at a property in Devon Road, Partington, at 3.40am today.
It's not clear what the cause of the fire was but it started in the roof of the house, Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service said.
It's not known whether there were any injuries.
The blaze spread to other neighbouring properties, a spokeswoman said.
(Image: ABNM Photography)
The M.E.N. has asked Greater Manchester Police and the North West Ambulance Service for more information.
In a statement, GMFRS said: "At 3.40am on Saturday, December 12 firefighters were called to reports of a fire on Devon Road in Partington.
"Four fire engines from Lymm, Sale, Altrincham and Irlam quickly attended the scene.
(Image: ABNM Photography)
"The fire involved the roof space of a domestic property, which spread to neighbouring properties.
"Firefighters used hose reels and breathing apparatus to extinguish the fire and were at the scene for eight hours."
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themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-12--Will I need the coronavirus vaccine to be able to go on holiday?

The breakthrough of a vaccine against coronavirus has raised hopes that the jab may help ease restrictions on international travel .
As there is early speculation the vaccine could mean a return to normal for holidays and visits abroad But will it mean travellers will need to have the vaccine in order to go abroad ?
At the moment , there has n't been any official advice either way .
The vaccine programme is still in its very early stages and there has been no mention of mandatory vaccination for international travel .
No country has yet made the vaccine @ @ @ @ @ @ @ plan to .
However when visiting some countries abroad , it is already commonplace to be required to be vaccinated against some diseases - such as yellow fever - before being allowed entry .
It could well be that as the vaccine becomes more freely available , some countries may decide to refuse entry to those who do n't have a certificate to prove they have been vaccinated against coronavirus in a similar manner to other common diseases .
There has already been discussion that proof of immunity may take the form of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ has already been proposed to the UK Parliament ’ s Science and Technology Committee .
The travel industry has widely welcomed the news of a vaccine , however it is not yet clear if the vaccine will become a prerequisite when boarding a plane .
A number of airlines have already spoken out about what the jab means for the future of travel .
Last month , the chief executive of Australian airline Qantas revealed he would expect the Covid-19 vaccine to become a mandatory requirement for future travel - and that passengers @ @ @ @ @ @ @ they have had the jab .
A spokesperson for easyJet told the Manchester Evening News that they `` do n't have any plans '' to make the coronavirus vaccine mandatory for passengers .
While the chief executive of TUI has rejected the idea of banning those without the vaccine from travelling .
Chief executive Fritz Joussen told reporters that turning away customers who have not had a Covid jab `` would be a mistake '' , insisting that testing would be `` absolutely the important thing '' .
British Airways , Ryanair , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ to request for comment at the time of publishing .

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The breakthrough of a vaccine against coronavirus has raised hopes that the jab may help ease restrictions on international travel.
As there is early speculation the vaccine could mean a return to normal for holidays and visits abroad
But will it mean travellers will need to have the vaccine in order to go abroad?
At the moment, there hasn't been any official advice either way. The vaccine programme is still in its very early stages and there has been no mention of mandatory vaccination for international travel.
No country has yet made the vaccine an entry requirement - or said they plan to.
However when visiting some countries abroad, it is already commonplace to be required to be vaccinated against some diseases - such as yellow fever - before being allowed entry.
It could well be that as the vaccine becomes more freely available, some countries may decide to refuse entry to those who don't have a certificate to prove they have been vaccinated against coronavirus in a similar manner to other common diseases.
There has already been discussion that proof of immunity may take the form of a digital immunity passport - something which has already been proposed to the UK Parliament’s Science and Technology Committee.
The travel industry has widely welcomed the news of a vaccine, however it is not yet clear if the vaccine will become a prerequisite when boarding a plane.
A number of airlines have already spoken out about what the jab means for the future of travel.
Last month, the chief executive of Australian airline Qantas revealed he would expect the Covid-19 vaccine to become a mandatory requirement for future travel - and that passengers using Qantas would only be accepted if they have had the jab.
A spokesperson for easyJet told the Manchester Evening News that they "don't have any plans" to make the coronavirus vaccine mandatory for passengers.
While the chief executive of TUI has rejected the idea of banning those without the vaccine from travelling. Chief executive Fritz Joussen told reporters that turning away customers who have not had a Covid jab "would be a mistake", insisting that testing would be "absolutely the important thing".
British Airways, Ryanair, Wizz Air and Jet2 had not responded to request for comment at the time of publishing.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-12--Last ever British Airways 747 makes final journey before retiring in Wales

After over 45 million miles in the air , one of British Airways ' last remaining Boeing 747 planes saw its very last flight as its made its final journey .
The aircraft , dubbed Queen of the Skies , flew for the last time from Cardiff Airport to its new home in the Vale of Glamorgan on Friday .
In honour of its last ever journey , it flew with the special flight number BA747 .
It departed Cardiff ’ s Runway 30 , flew around this scenic area of the Welsh coast before turning out over the Bristol @ @ @ @ @ @ @ at St Athan before landing at the commercial airfield at Bro Tathan , the Welsh Government ’ s 1,200 acres business park in the Vale of Glamorgan .
The plane was met by an audience of invited guests including British Airways cabin crew , who have previously served on board the jumbo jets .
It will now be preserved for future generations to enjoy by eCube Solutions - an aircraft disassembly and end of life services provider .
Since entering the British Airways fleet on 20 January 1999 , aircraft G-BYGC has operated @ @ @ @ @ @ @ over nearly 45 million miles .
Its last passenger flight was from San Francisco to Heathrow on 4 April 2020 .
The retirement of the British Airways 747 fleet has been forced to rapidly phase out the plane as a consequence of the coronavirus pandemic .
The airline has now retired its entire fleet of Boeing 747 planes .
Sean Doyle , British Airways ’ CEO , said : “ This final 747 journey is a bittersweet moment for the many thousands of British Airways customers and crew who have flown the world @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the last five decades .
“ But while we will certainly miss their majestic presence in the skies above , knowing our last 747 will be preserved for future generations to enjoy at a new home in Wales gives us a great sense of pride and is a fitting end to this chapter of British Airways ’ history . ''
Al Bridger , British Airways ’ director of flight operations , said : “ All of us at British Airways and so many of our customers will have fond memories and special moments @ @ @ @ @ @ @ jet .
“ As a pilot who was lucky enough to fly the aircraft , the sheer scale of it was unforgettable , you literally looked down on other aircraft .
It changed aviation forever when it arrived in the skies and I know I speak for our customers and the global aviation community when I say , despite rightly moving to more sustainable ways of flying , we will still miss the 747 dearly.
” Managing Director of eCube Solutions Peter Dunsford is keen to assure enthusiasts that the plane will be @ @ @ @ @ @ @ “ This iconic aircraft has a lot of very loyal followers with fond memories and attachments to the aircraft type .
As Europe ’ s leading provider for aircraft end of life services including component removal , disassembly and recycling , we strive to provide both airlines and aircraft owners with maximum value from a retired aircraft .
`` We can assure everybody that this aircraft will continue to be utilised and enjoyed in many different ways for many , many years to come.
” It comes after the BA Boeing 747 G-CIVW @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , with plans for the aircraft to be used as a film set .

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After over 45 million miles in the air, one of British Airways ' last remaining Boeing 747 planes saw its very last flight as its made its final journey.
The aircraft, dubbed Queen of the Skies, flew for the last time from Cardiff Airport to its new home in the Vale of Glamorgan on Friday.
In honour of its last ever journey, it flew with the special flight number BA747.
It departed Cardiff’s Runway 30, flew around this scenic area of the Welsh coast before turning out over the Bristol Channel to loop back for Runway 25 at St Athan before landing at the commercial airfield at Bro Tathan, the Welsh Government’s 1,200 acres business park in the Vale of Glamorgan.
The plane was met by an audience of invited guests including British Airways cabin crew, who have previously served on board the jumbo jets.
It will now be preserved for future generations to enjoy by eCube Solutions - an aircraft disassembly and end of life services provider.
Since entering the British Airways fleet on 20 January 1999, aircraft G-BYGC has operated 11,049 flights and flown for 91,023 hours over nearly 45 million miles.
Its last passenger flight was from San Francisco to Heathrow on 4 April 2020.
(Image: British Airways Handout)
The retirement of the British Airways 747 fleet has been forced to rapidly phase out the plane as a consequence of the coronavirus pandemic. The airline has now retired its entire fleet of Boeing 747 planes.
Sean Doyle, British Airways’ CEO, said: “This final 747 journey is a bittersweet moment for the many thousands of British Airways customers and crew who have flown the world on these Queens of the Sky over the last five decades.
“But while we will certainly miss their majestic presence in the skies above, knowing our last 747 will be preserved for future generations to enjoy at a new home in Wales gives us a great sense of pride and is a fitting end to this chapter of British Airways’ history."
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Al Bridger, British Airways’ director of flight operations, said: “ All of us at British Airways and so many of our customers will have fond memories and special moments from our travels on the iconic jumbo jet.
“As a pilot who was lucky enough to fly the aircraft, the sheer scale of it was unforgettable, you literally looked down on other aircraft. It changed aviation forever when it arrived in the skies and I know I speak for our customers and the global aviation community when I say, despite rightly moving to more sustainable ways of flying, we will still miss the 747 dearly.”
Managing Director of eCube Solutions Peter Dunsford is keen to assure enthusiasts that the plane will be in good hands. He said: “This iconic aircraft has a lot of very loyal followers with fond memories and attachments to the aircraft type. As Europe’s leading provider for aircraft end of life services including component removal, disassembly and recycling, we strive to provide both airlines and aircraft owners with maximum value from a retired aircraft.
"We can assure everybody that this aircraft will continue to be utilised and enjoyed in many different ways for many, many years to come.”
It comes after the BA Boeing 747 G-CIVW was retired to Dunsfold Aerodrome in October, with plans for the aircraft to be used as a film set.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-12--Is it worth getting into debt to buy your kids what they want for Christmas?

Most parents would do anything for their children and , after the year we 've had , families are wanting to make Christmas 2020 extra special .
But attempting to make it special can often involve stressing over what to buy and how much you can actually afford to spend .
And what happens if your child asks for something you ca n't afford ?
Do you make do with a less expensive gift , or would you be willing to get into debt to get them what they want ?
With a survey showing nearly half of children are @ @ @ @ @ @ @ others wanting the latest iPhone , 62 % of four to 17-year-olds are thought to be expecting an expensive gadget this year .
We asked parents on our Manchester Family Facebook page for their views and the reaction was mixed .
Mums including Sarah Mc and Helen Wood said they would be happy to go into debt temporarily - with a credit card or overdraft - if they knew it would be paid off in January .
`` If I needed to go in to an arranged overdraft that I knew I could @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Sarah .
`` If I needed to buy things on a credit card that I could pay back then yes .
What makes Christmas presents any different from other things people buy on credit - it 's effectively debt . ''
While Helen said : `` If it was just a credit card that I was going to clear in January , yes - I 've done that before at Christmas .
But not anything beyond that . ''
Would you get into debt to buy your children or grandchildren what they 've @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the comments here , or share your views on our Manchester Family Facebook page .
And Rebecca Leathley said she 'd be happy to pay on finance , adding : `` I wouldn ’ t get in debt but I would take something out on finance or from a catalogue etc if I knew for certain I could afford the repayments . ''
Others said they would be stricter with budgeting and if that meant children not getting what they 've asked for , then so be it .
Emma McAvoy said : @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Nintendo Switch and a computer .
He ’ s got neither .
He already has access to a PlayStation ( my husband 's ) .
And a laptop should he need it for school .
I think the value of money is an important lesson to learn .
My five-year-old asked for a 'real Lamborghini ' so erm ... . ''
Nadia Di Vuono said : `` No , no , no .
It 's giving off the complete wrong message to our children if we do and is setting them up for @ @ @ @ @ @ @ '' And Lisa Mealing added : `` From an early age we were given a budget for birthdays and Christmas so we didn ’ t ask for anything more than what my parents could afford .
Helps you learn the cost of things and think about what you really want . ''
Alicia Ali said she tries to get her children what they want , but grandparents are n't always so strict .
`` I would n't get into debt for mine to have what they want , they have to appreciate what @ @ @ @ @ @ @ costs , '' she said .
`` Mine know I try and get them what they ask within reason .
Nanna on the other hand they have wrapped around their fingers and she spoils them . ''
Others , including mums Ashlie Leah and Shelly Bridden , said they save up or buy sale items throughout the year to avoid going into debt .
`` I wouldn ’ t get it debt no , I ’ d save up if they wanted something that was expensive , '' said Ashlie .
`` That @ @ @ @ @ @ @ what my son wants .
This year it was a Nintendo Switch so I made sure I had the money saved up for it for him without anyone going short , just be prepared . ''
Shelly added : `` I buy stuff through the year when it ’ s on sale .
My six-year-old only wants a skateboard this year and it was less than a tenner .
He ’ ll get plenty at Christmas and knows he can ’ t ask for everything . ''
Perhaps most important was the message @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 's not what 's under the tree that matters , it 's who 's gathered around it ' - a sentiment that 's even poignant in a year when so many have lost loved ones too soon , or had to spend so much time apart .
Sara Woolrich said : `` There is always a way of making Christmas special , no matter the budget you have - there is no point in ruining the rest of your year for the sake of one day .
Children remember the magic . ''
@ @ @ @ @ @ @ lucky our kids never ask for much , they 're much happier having some time with us than lots of things . ''
And Dath Bradbury added : `` You should always buy what you can afford .
Having grown up now I know firsthand that I didn ’ t always get what I asked for , I was always really happy with my presents and in the end it didn ’ t really matter what I was bought , it ’ s just a magical time of year .
`` I am @ @ @ @ @ @ @ presents for Christmas and family help out by buying specific items .
So there will be toys and basketball hoops and lots to open on Christmas Day , however they won ’ t be getting the latest PS5 or Xbox .
`` We ’ re not going into debt when the PS4 they have is perfectly fine .
I understand others will have different opinions , but all I would advise is spend what you are personally comfortable with and have a plan . ''

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Most parents would do anything for their children and, after the year we've had, families are wanting to make Christmas 2020 extra special.
But attempting to make it special can often involve stressing over what to buy and how much you can actually afford to spend.
And what happens if your child asks for something you can't afford? Do you make do with a less expensive gift, or would you be willing to get into debt to get them what they want?
With a survey showing nearly half of children are hoping for the new PlayStation 5 and others wanting the latest iPhone, 62% of four to 17-year-olds are thought to be expecting an expensive gadget this year.
We asked parents on our Manchester Family Facebook page for their views and the reaction was mixed.
Mums including Sarah Mc and Helen Wood said they would be happy to go into debt temporarily - with a credit card or overdraft - if they knew it would be paid off in January.
"If I needed to go in to an arranged overdraft that I knew I could pay back then yes," said Sarah. "If I needed to buy things on a credit card that I could pay back then yes. What makes Christmas presents any different from other things people buy on credit - it's effectively debt."
While Helen said: "If it was just a credit card that I was going to clear in January, yes - I've done that before at Christmas. But not anything beyond that."
Would you get into debt to buy your children or grandchildren what they've asked for? Let us know in the comments here, or share your views on our Manchester Family Facebook page.
And Rebecca Leathley said she'd be happy to pay on finance, adding: "I wouldn’t get in debt but I would take something out on finance or from a catalogue etc if I knew for certain I could afford the repayments."
Others said they would be stricter with budgeting and if that meant children not getting what they've asked for, then so be it.
Emma McAvoy said: "My nearly eight-year-old asked for a Nintendo Switch and a computer. He’s got neither. He already has access to a PlayStation (my husband's). And a laptop should he need it for school. I think the value of money is an important lesson to learn. My five-year-old asked for a 'real Lamborghini' so erm...."
Nadia Di Vuono said: "No, no, no. It's giving off the complete wrong message to our children if we do and is setting them up for a lot of disappointment in life."
And Lisa Mealing added: "From an early age we were given a budget for birthdays and Christmas so we didn’t ask for anything more than what my parents could afford. Helps you learn the cost of things and think about what you really want."
Alicia Ali said she tries to get her children what they want, but grandparents aren't always so strict.
"I wouldn't get into debt for mine to have what they want, they have to appreciate what they have no matter how much it costs," she said. "Mine know I try and get them what they ask within reason. Nanna on the other hand they have wrapped around their fingers and she spoils them."
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Others, including mums Ashlie Leah and Shelly Bridden, said they save up or buy sale items throughout the year to avoid going into debt.
"I wouldn’t get it debt no, I’d save up if they wanted something that was expensive," said Ashlie. "That’s why I ask in September what my son wants. This year it was a Nintendo Switch so I made sure I had the money saved up for it for him without anyone going short, just be prepared."
Shelly added: "I buy stuff through the year when it’s on sale. My six-year-old only wants a skateboard this year and it was less than a tenner. He’ll get plenty at Christmas and knows he can’t ask for everything."
Perhaps most important was the message shared by some parents - that 'it's not what's under the tree that matters, it's who's gathered around it' - a sentiment that's even poignant in a year when so many have lost loved ones too soon, or had to spend so much time apart.
Sara Woolrich said: "There is always a way of making Christmas special, no matter the budget you have - there is no point in ruining the rest of your year for the sake of one day. Children remember the magic."
Ruth Handy said: "We're lucky our kids never ask for much, they're much happier having some time with us than lots of things."
And Dath Bradbury added: "You should always buy what you can afford. Having grown up now I know firsthand that I didn’t always get what I asked for, I was always really happy with my presents and in the end it didn’t really matter what I was bought, it’s just a magical time of year.
"I am in a fortunate enough position to buy presents for Christmas and family help out by buying specific items. So there will be toys and basketball hoops and lots to open on Christmas Day, however they won’t be getting the latest PS5 or Xbox.
"We’re not going into debt when the PS4 they have is perfectly fine. I understand others will have different opinions, but all I would advise is spend what you are personally comfortable with and have a plan."


themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-12--Bullies hounded me for being gay- lessons like these would've stopped it

In September , it became compulsory for schools across England to teach LGBT-inclusive lessons as part of the curriculum .
Pupils in secondary schools will now learn about sexual orientation and gender identity while primary schools will share an awareness of different families , such as those with same-sex parents .
While the news has been a long time coming for LGBT+ people , it was not without controversy .
Last year , parents in Birmingham protested the move saying it was not ‘ age-appropriate ’ to teach young children about LGBT+ people .
A recent survey by research company @ @ @ @ @ @ @ of people are happy to have gay or bisexual colleagues or neighbours , four in ten people still do not want pupils to be taught about LGBT+ inclusivity .
Earlier this week , LGBT+ charity Just Like Us launched a # YoungerMe campaign highlighting the need for inclusive education and positive role models with the community .
For many LGBT+ people , such as Rhimano Rangeley , being out at school was never an option and the presumption of being queer always came with bullying .
“ Being LGBT+ in school was so @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Evening News .
“ I experienced a lot of bullying in high school from many people , both from people I knew and people I didn't.
” Rhimano , who is pansexual and trans , said that having LGBT-inclusive education while he was at school would have ‘ changed everything ’ .
“ I know if I had learned about gender dysphoria , I would have realised that it was something that I was experiencing , ” he says .
“ The more social acceptance there is , the easier it will get @ @ @ @ @ @ @ about ourselves within schools.
” Drag queen Divina De Campo , who recently appeared as a contestant on RuPaul ’ s Drag Race UK , had also experienced bullying at school .
“ I didn ’ t experience any issues until I went to high school , ” Divina tells the M.E.N .
I ’ ve always been as camp as Christmas , I was as gay as it gets , but high school was when people started calling me gay and queer .
Whoever was there in the corridor during every break @ @ @ @ @ @ @ me - it was consistent.
” Divina , whose real name is Owen , went to high school between 1993 and 1999 .
His sisters also attended school at the same time and remembered how bad things had been .
“ I know it was a horrible time but I hadn ’ t really realised the extent of it until recently when I spoke to my sister about it , ” she explains .
“ She said she had a very clear memory of me walking into the dinner hall and the whole @ @ @ @ @ @ @ lunch time .
“ There were so many adults in the room who did nothing and the school itself took no steps to address any of it because , at the time , if you did then you risked losing your job.
” Read more of today 's stories here Section 28 became law in May 1998 and was only properly repealed in 2003 .
Between this time , it was illegal for schools to promote the ‘ teaching ’ or ‘ acceptability ’ of homosexuality .
“ Because of Section 28 , @ @ @ @ @ @ @ able to talk openly about being gay with the other kids in school , ” Divina adds .
“ I remember I got through it all because I knew what I wanted to do with my life .
I knew I wasn ’ t going to be around these people forever .
“ I knew I ’ d be able to go away and achieve what I wanted .
For the few years I was at high school , I could put up with it .
“ I felt that I ’ d @ @ @ @ @ @ @ than someone who might not be able to cope as much and would end up hurting themselves , which is what unfortunately happens a lot of the time.
” As part of the # YoungerMe campaign , Just Like Me has invited influencers and LGBT+ advocates to share messages with their younger selves .
Over the next few months , advocates will also be giving school talks to inspire the next generation to be more open about who they are .
Siraaj , from Yorkshire , said he had always wanted a role @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the many ‘ intertwining aspects ’ of his identity .
“ As a gay , South Asian , Muslim boy , I didn ’ t see the way I wanted to live my life represented in the lives of people around me nor did I see my traits and values necessarily reflected in anyone I looked up to , ” he said .
“ I no longer feel such a need to seek permission to be myself in the same way .
This is just one piece of the puzzle in improving the @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ’ s a piece we ’ re committed to doing well.
” Amazin LeThi is an author and bodybuilder , originally from Saigon , Vietnam .
As a child , she was the only Vietnamese pupil at an all-white school in Australia .
“ I thought I was the only Asian LGBT+ kid in the world because I saw no role models from the Asian LGBT+ community , ” Amazin says .
“ It is so affirming when you are an Asian child struggling with your sexuality or gender identity to meet and @ @ @ @ @ @ @ we can see a mirror image and reflection of ourselves through shared stories and experiences .
“ It helps us to realise we are safe and part of a large and diverse LGBT+ community .
`` It is a revolutionary act when you see a reflection of yourself in someone else ’ s story ; its impact allows us to realise we are not alone and encourages us to celebrate all forms of diversity and inclusion.
” Last month , it was revealed that the Government had decided to scrap projects aimed specifically @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , the anti-bullying grant fund provided 2,250 schools across the country with materials and training to fight homophobic , transphobic and biphobic bullying .
In light of the decision , it will fall on LGBT+ organisations , such as Just Like Us , to help educate and promote inclusivity more so than ever before .
Nana Duncan , who co-hosts the Two Two 's podcast with Rose Frimpong , said the work that LGBT+ organisations are doing today to support younger people is ‘ life affirming ’ .
“ My time at school @ @ @ @ @ @ @ s when I discovered my same-sex attraction , ” Nana , who lives in London , explains .
“ I didn ’ t know any black LGBT+ people growing up .
I didn ’ t know any LGBT+ people , period .
“ If charities like Just Like Us existed back then , it would have given me the validation I so desperately needed .
It would have given me the representation I so desperately needed .
“ I would have seen people who looked like me , who were like me and @ @ @ @ @ @ @ ” “ There ’ s still this issue where LGBT+ characters are portrayed in the media as being deeply flawed , which is always explained as being a byproduct of being LGBT+ , ” Drag Race 's Divina adds .
“ We need to see LGBT+ people who are just living and getting on with their lives because for 99.9 pc of the time , that ’ s all we want to do .
“ Obviously , I want to run around in glorious sequins and a stupid wig singing ridiculous songs but @ @ @ @ @ @ @ , everyone else is just trying to live their life.
” Speaking about the protests in Birmingham over the launch of LGBT-inclusive education , Divina said a lot of the anger came from a lack of understanding in what exactly such lessons would provide pupils with .
“ It was never about learning about gay sex in junior schools , it ’ s about relationships , ” she explains .
“ We ’ re talking about instances where some people might have two mummies or two daddies .
`` It was about learning @ @ @ @ @ @ @ so that it ’ s no longer strange or weird and you can stop kids from being bullied ; it ’ s a very clear process .
“ The more education you can give kids about their own bodies and other people ’ s experiences , the better the outcome is for everybody .
“ I do genuinely think that if there had been that support network for me in school , and that they had been able to just educate a bit better , I probably still wouldn ’ t be carrying @ @ @ @ @ @ @ me.
” Rhimano echoed the sentiment that LGBT-inclusive education was important for raising awareness and changing perceptions .
“ You do n't have to be LGBT+ to learn about us , just in the same way you do n't have to be religious to take religious studies , ” he says .
“ It 's about learning what it 's like to be our peers and having a bit of empathy .
“ It is important for everybody to learn about all the different people within our little blue orb floating through space @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and move out of this gutter of hatred.
” You can find out more about Just Like Us here .

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In September, it became compulsory for schools across England to teach LGBT-inclusive lessons as part of the curriculum.
Pupils in secondary schools will now learn about sexual orientation and gender identity while primary schools will share an awareness of different families, such as those with same-sex parents.
While the news has been a long time coming for LGBT+ people, it was not without controversy.
Last year, parents in Birmingham protested the move saying it was not ‘age-appropriate’ to teach young children about LGBT+ people.
A recent survey by research company Kantar found that while the overwhelming majority of people are happy to have gay or bisexual colleagues or neighbours, four in ten people still do not want pupils to be taught about LGBT+ inclusivity.
Earlier this week, LGBT+ charity Just Like Us launched a #YoungerMe campaign highlighting the need for inclusive education and positive role models with the community.
For many LGBT+ people, such as Rhimano Rangeley, being out at school was never an option and the presumption of being queer always came with bullying.
“Being LGBT+ in school was so hard,” Rhimano told the Manchester Evening News .
“I experienced a lot of bullying in high school from many people, both from people I knew and people I didn't.”
Rhimano, who is pansexual and trans, said that having LGBT-inclusive education while he was at school would have ‘changed everything’.
“I know if I had learned about gender dysphoria, I would have realised that it was something that I was experiencing,” he says.
“The more social acceptance there is, the easier it will get as we are starting to actually learn about ourselves within schools.”
Drag queen Divina De Campo, who recently appeared as a contestant on RuPaul’s Drag Race UK, had also experienced bullying at school.
“I didn’t experience any issues until I went to high school,” Divina tells the M.E.N.
(Image: MEN UGC)
I’ve always been as camp as Christmas, I was as gay as it gets, but high school was when people started calling me gay and queer. Whoever was there in the corridor during every break would be shouting and staying stuff to me - it was consistent.”
Divina, whose real name is Owen, went to high school between 1993 and 1999. His sisters also attended school at the same time and remembered how bad things had been.
“I know it was a horrible time but I hadn’t really realised the extent of it until recently when I spoke to my sister about it,” she explains.
“She said she had a very clear memory of me walking into the dinner hall and the whole place shouting and jeering at me at lunch time.
“There were so many adults in the room who did nothing and the school itself took no steps to address any of it because, at the time, if you did then you risked losing your job.”
Section 28 became law in May 1998 and was only properly repealed in 2003. Between this time, it was illegal for schools to promote the ‘teaching’ or ‘acceptability’ of homosexuality.
“Because of Section 28, I never had the experience of being able to talk openly about being gay with the other kids in school,” Divina adds.
“I remember I got through it all because I knew what I wanted to do with my life. I knew I wasn’t going to be around these people forever.
“I knew I’d be able to go away and achieve what I wanted. For the few years I was at high school, I could put up with it.
“I felt that I’d rather it was me going through this than someone who might not be able to cope as much and would end up hurting themselves, which is what unfortunately happens a lot of the time.”
As part of the #YoungerMe campaign, Just Like Me has invited influencers and LGBT+ advocates to share messages with their younger selves.
Over the next few months, advocates will also be giving school talks to inspire the next generation to be more open about who they are.
Siraaj, from Yorkshire, said he had always wanted a role model - someone who represented one of the many ‘intertwining aspects’ of his identity.
“As a gay, South Asian, Muslim boy, I didn’t see the way I wanted to live my life represented in the lives of people around me nor did I see my traits and values necessarily reflected in anyone I looked up to,” he said.
“I no longer feel such a need to seek permission to be myself in the same way. This is just one piece of the puzzle in improving the lives of LGBT+ young people but it’s a piece we’re committed to doing well.”
Amazin LeThi is an author and bodybuilder, originally from Saigon, Vietnam. As a child, she was the only Vietnamese pupil at an all-white school in Australia.
“I thought I was the only Asian LGBT+ kid in the world because I saw no role models from the Asian LGBT+ community,” Amazin says.
(Image: Alina Oswald)
“It is so affirming when you are an Asian child struggling with your sexuality or gender identity to meet and see community members or role models where we can see a mirror image and reflection of ourselves through shared stories and experiences.
“It helps us to realise we are safe and part of a large and diverse LGBT+ community.
"It is a revolutionary act when you see a reflection of yourself in someone else’s story; its impact allows us to realise we are not alone and encourages us to celebrate all forms of diversity and inclusion.”
Last month, it was revealed that the Government had decided to scrap projects aimed specifically towards anti-LGBT bullying.
Launched in 2014, the anti-bullying grant fund provided 2,250 schools across the country with materials and training to fight homophobic, transphobic and biphobic bullying.
In light of the decision, it will fall on LGBT+ organisations, such as Just Like Us, to help educate and promote inclusivity more so than ever before.
Nana Duncan, who co-hosts the Two Two's podcast with Rose Frimpong, said the work that LGBT+ organisations are doing today to support younger people is ‘life affirming’.
“My time at school was the most difficult because that’s when I discovered my same-sex attraction,” Nana, who lives in London, explains.
“I didn’t know any black LGBT+ people growing up. I didn’t know any LGBT+ people, period.
“If charities like Just Like Us existed back then, it would have given me the validation I so desperately needed. It would have given me the representation I so desperately needed.
“I would have seen people who looked like me, who were like me and that would have made me feel normal.”
“There’s still this issue where LGBT+ characters are portrayed in the media as being deeply flawed, which is always explained as being a byproduct of being LGBT+,” Drag Race's Divina adds.
“We need to see LGBT+ people who are just living and getting on with their lives because for 99.9 pc of the time, that’s all we want to do.
“Obviously, I want to run around in glorious sequins and a stupid wig singing ridiculous songs but I am the 0.1 pc of that, everyone else is just trying to live their life.”
Speaking about the protests in Birmingham over the launch of LGBT-inclusive education, Divina said a lot of the anger came from a lack of understanding in what exactly such lessons would provide pupils with.
“It was never about learning about gay sex in junior schools, it’s about relationships,” she explains.
“We’re talking about instances where some people might have two mummies or two daddies.
"It was about learning about other people’s life experiences so that it’s no longer strange or weird and you can stop kids from being bullied; it’s a very clear process.
“The more education you can give kids about their own bodies and other people’s experiences, the better the outcome is for everybody.
“I do genuinely think that if there had been that support network for me in school, and that they had been able to just educate a bit better, I probably still wouldn’t be carrying around so much of this baggage with me.”
Rhimano echoed the sentiment that LGBT-inclusive education was important for raising awareness and changing perceptions.
“You don't have to be LGBT+ to learn about us, just in the same way you don't have to be religious to take religious studies,” he says.
“It's about learning what it's like to be our peers and having a bit of empathy.
“It is important for everybody to learn about all the different people within our little blue orb floating through space so we can understand each other properly and move out of this gutter of hatred.”
You can find out more about Just Like Us here.


themanchestereveningnews--2020-12-14--When is the Champions League draw? How to watch and who City could face

Manchester City fans will be eagerly awaiting the UEFA Champions League draw after sealing their place in the last 16 .
Pep Guardiola 's side were held to a 0-0 draw with Manchester United on Saturday night , their sixth consecutive clean sheet , with three of those coming in the Champions League .
Having topped their group with relative ease , City will be hopeful of avoiding any of Europe 's biggest clubs , having faced and beaten Real Madrid at this stage last season .
Here is all of the key information you need to know ahead of @ @ @ @ @ @ @ and where is the draw ?
The draw is set to take place on Monday , December 14 at 11am ( GMT ) .
Nyon in Switzerland is the location for the event .
When are the last-16 ties ?
The first leg of the round-of-16 fixtures will be played on February 16/17 , 2021 , with the second legs set to take place on March 9/ 10 .
Teams who played in the the same group can not be drawn against each other , while clubs from the same national league can @ @ @ @ @ @ @ so City ca n't face Porto , Liverpool or Chelsea until the quarter-final stage .
Liverpool and Chelsea both topped their groups anyway , so would n't have been possible opponents for City anyway .
Barcelona .
Atletico Madrid , Borussia Monchengladbach , Atalanta , Sevilla , Lazio and RB Leipzig are City 's potential opponents in the last 16 .
Bayern Munich , Liverpool , Real Madrid , City , Chelsea , Borussia Dortmund , Juventus and Paris Saint-Germain all won their groups .
How can I watch the Champions League draw @ @ @ @ @ @ @ a live stream of the draw on UEFA ’ s official website here .
As well as this , BT Sport are broadcasting the Champions League draw live across their channels - with their official application another place to view the stream as it happens .

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Manchester City fans will be eagerly awaiting the UEFA Champions League draw after sealing their place in the last 16.
Pep Guardiola's side were held to a 0-0 draw with Manchester United on Saturday night, their sixth consecutive clean sheet, with three of those coming in the Champions League.
Having topped their group with relative ease, City will be hopeful of avoiding any of Europe's biggest clubs, having faced and beaten Real Madrid at this stage last season.
Here is all of the key information you need to know ahead of the Champions League last-16 draw.
When and where is the draw?
The draw is set to take place on Monday, December 14 at 11am (GMT). Nyon in Switzerland is the location for the event.
When are the last-16 ties?
The first leg of the round-of-16 fixtures will be played on February 16/17, 2021, with the second legs set to take place on March 9/ 10.
Can City draw a Premier League team?
Teams who played in the the same group cannot be drawn against each other, while clubs from the same national league cannot be drawn against one another, so City can't face Porto, Liverpool or Chelsea until the quarter-final stage. Liverpool and Chelsea both topped their groups anyway, so wouldn't have been possible opponents for City anyway.
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Who could City face?
Barcelona. Atletico Madrid, Borussia Monchengladbach, Atalanta, Sevilla, Lazio and RB Leipzig are City's potential opponents in the last 16.
Bayern Munich, Liverpool, Real Madrid, City, Chelsea, Borussia Dortmund, Juventus and Paris Saint-Germain all won their groups.
How can I watch the Champions League draw?
You will be able to watch a live stream of the draw on UEFA’s official website here.
As well as this, BT Sport are broadcasting the Champions League draw live across their channels - with their official application another place to view the stream as it happens.